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perrodetokio
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 Posted - 12/06/2011 : 20:26:39
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| If Obama does one thing for the remainder of his presidency let it be a veto of the National Defense Authorization Act a law recently passed by the Senate currently which would place domestic terror investigations and interrogations into the hands of the military and which would open the door for trial-free, indefinite detention of anyone, including American citizens, so long as the government calls them terrorists. |
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/12/05/the-national-defense-authorization-act-is-the-greatest-threat-to-civil-liberties-americans-face/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/01/the-truth-about-the-national-defense-authorization-act/
(and everywhere else in the internet)
To me this looks scary as hell. Maybe I donīt fully understand it. It looks as it could be used to silence anyone. To cover-up anything.
What do you think about it?
In England, Scotland Yard passed an announcement labelling the Occupy movement "terrorists".
Anyone being label as such in the US and this law could apply to them.
Any thoughts?
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chefcrsh
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Hong Kong
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2011 : 07:12:41 [Permalink]
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| Scary as hell seems to be the goal of the second link. NDA Act and the kitchen sink. I couldn't finish it. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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Posted - 12/07/2011 : 07:51:01 [Permalink]
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| Isn't NDAA in violation with the Posse Comitatus Act? |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2011 : 08:31:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Isn't NDAA in violation with the Posse Comitatus Act?
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Not the way I read this:
The Posse Comitatus Act
| The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies from using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from exercising state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order"; it simply requires that any orders to do so must originate with the United States Constitution or Act of Congress. |
But yikes! I hope Obama sends it back for that fix once it hits his desk. As I understand it, he's not for it. But as part of the bigger bill, I'm not sure what he can do about it. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2011 : 14:43:04 [Permalink]
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This is S 1867. It is a whopping 682 pages and I really doubt any of the lickspittle toadies...... I mean Congresscritters actually read this bill. It reads like it was thrown together haphazardly.
For instance, in Section 551 of the bill, one could understand the removal of the sodomy statute (UCMJ Article 125) considering the push to decriminalize homosexuality in the armed forces. However, Article 125 is itself poorly written and combines sodomy with beastiality.
The language is mind numbingly political lawyerese.
This is a political grenade. If the President vetoes it, funding for the military ends at the end of the fiscal year (in a couple of weeks). He then can be labled anti-military.
This one is some of the worst wording of legislation I have seen in a great while.
Here is the text of the entire bill.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pcs/pdf/BILLS-112s1867pcs.pdf
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/07/2011 : 19:12:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
This is a political grenade. If the President vetoes it, funding for the military ends at the end of the fiscal year (in a couple of weeks). |
Federal fiscal year 2012 ends on September 30, 2012. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2011 : 21:32:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
This is a political grenade. If the President vetoes it, funding for the military ends at the end of the fiscal year (in a couple of weeks). |
Federal fiscal year 2012 ends on September 30, 2012.
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Sorry.
The funding would run out by the first of the year. The military has been running on a series of emergency funding bills since they still can't pass a damn budget. |
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The National Defense Authorization Act
