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Randy
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 16:14:42 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 16:32:02 [Permalink]
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Excellent!
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Posted - 12/12/2011 : 00:06:16 [Permalink]
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| Andy Cobb's take: Rick Perry - Weak, man |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 12/18/2011 : 14:55:42 [Permalink]
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Perry did the equivalent of peeing in bed to save his presidential race. Problem is, now that it's starting to stink, what will happen at the polls?
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djpats
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 Posted - 01/29/2012 : 22:31:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
How can this piece-of-shit Perry put up lies like that and get away with it?
That children aren't allowed to pray in school is patently false, yet that's what he's saying.
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this is true, that children aren't allowed to pray in school is patently false. HOWEVER, the deal is this - what is ever-evident is the presence of political correctness not just in schools but EVERYWHERE. I've noticed that those of us who are Christian get the butt-end of this. Political correctness is an attempt to keep Christians from doing their mission, to spread the Gospel. I suppose that's okay, but the problem is this - if a Christian even mentions his/her faith or his/her God, said Christian is told to be careful so as not to offend anyone else in the vicinity, because heaven forbid mister Muslim be offended by Jehovah. Meanwhile, if a Christian tells a Muslim that he is offended by his faith then we get busted for being racist? Excuse me? The hypocrisy here is IMMENSE. |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 01/30/2012 : 08:42:06 [Permalink]
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What a paranoia- and bigotry-spewing demagogue!
I don't care if Perry is so stupid that he actually believes this crap, or is just cynically appealing to the lowest common denominator of his brain-dead and hate-filled Republican constituency. Either way, his politics is not a nanometer from Fascism. And that's no exaggeration. Too bad the rest of the GOP field is playing the same dangerous game. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/30/2012 : 10:06:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by djpats
Political correctness is an attempt to keep Christians from doing their mission, to spread the Gospel. |
That's quite the persecution complex you have there.| I suppose that's okay, but the problem is this - if a Christian even mentions his/her faith or his/her God, said Christian is told to be careful so as not to offend anyone else in the vicinity, because heaven forbid mister Muslim be offended by Jehovah. |
You do realize that Christians and Muslims both worship the god of Abraham, right?| Meanwhile, if a Christian tells a Muslim that he is offended by his faith then we get busted for being racist? Excuse me? |
Yeah, that's not racism, that's just hypocrisy on the Christian's part. I mean, I know why I'm offended by all faith in general, but why should someone who embraces faith be offended by someone embracing a different faith? Is it because merely by being an adherent to Islam, that other person is implicitly saying that your Christian faith is the wrong faith to have? If so, then step into his shoes, and see that your adherence to Christianity implies that you think that Islam is wrong. You don't have the moral high-ground, here.| The hypocrisy here is IMMENSE. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 01/30/2012 : 11:31:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by djpats
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
How can this piece-of-shit Perry put up lies like that and get away with it?
That children aren't allowed to pray in school is patently false, yet that's what he's saying.
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this is true, that children aren't allowed to pray in school is patently false. |
I'm glad you agree with me on this. Rick Perry is a filthy liar, and he's using his lies in an attempt to further his political gain and agenda.
Does that behaviour look like Christian to you?
Does that sound like a man worthy of your support?
He claims to be "one of you", but is he?
HOWEVER, the deal is this - what is ever-evident is the presence of political correctness not just in schools but EVERYWHERE. I've noticed that those of us who are Christian get the butt-end of this. |
Look around you. Muslims in your country is being attacked just because misguided Christians believe that they are guilty by perceived religious association with Usama Bin Ladin. True-or-not.
But representatives of Christianity isn't just in schools, as you observe.
They are in court buildings and city halls too. Those are also places which are subject to the first amendment, since they are part of the government. That means no 10 Commandments displays on the court lawn or on display in the halls and court rooms.
It's not about political correctness. IT IS THE FUCKING LAW.
Political correctness is an attempt to keep Christians from doing their mission, to spread the Gospel. |
No. Political correctness is an excuse. You Christians may go about spreading the Gospel, but while doing so you have to adhere to the law. Which means you may not harass people while doing so. You may not use coercion while doing so. Using the authority of the school (which is an extension of the government) to do so - is to use the force inherent in the institution of the school - which is to use coercion.
I suppose that's okay, but the problem is this - if a Christian even mentions his/her faith or his/her God, said Christian is told to be careful so as not to offend anyone else in the vicinity, because heaven forbid mister Muslim be offended by Jehovah. |
That's an issue you will have to take up with the Muslims. I find both religions equally offensive, and as to offend them - I don't discriminate between Christians or Muslims.
Your beef about this is not with me.
Meanwhile, if a Christian tells a Muslim that he is offended by his faith then we get busted for being racist? Excuse me? The hypocrisy here is IMMENSE.
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I think both Muslims and Christians are huge hypocrites in this respect, and both are quick to play the persecution-card. It's so convenient. |
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moakley
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Posted - 01/30/2012 : 15:20:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by djpats
this is true, that children aren't allowed to pray in school is patently false. HOWEVER, the deal is this - what is ever-evident is the presence of political correctness not just in schools but EVERYWHERE. I've noticed that those of us who are Christian get the butt-end of this. Political correctness is an attempt to keep Christians from doing their mission, to spread the Gospel. I suppose that's okay, but the problem is this - if a Christian even mentions his/her faith or his/her God, said Christian is told to be careful so as not to offend anyone else in the vicinity, because heaven forbid mister Muslim be offended by Jehovah. Meanwhile, if a Christian tells a Muslim that he is offended by his faith then we get busted for being racist? Excuse me? The hypocrisy here is IMMENSE.
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djpats
New Member
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Posted - 01/30/2012 : 21:46:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by djpats
Political correctness is an attempt to keep Christians from doing their mission, to spread the Gospel. |
That's quite the persecution complex you have there.| I suppose that's okay, but the problem is this - if a Christian even mentions his/her faith or his/her God, said Christian is told to be careful so as not to offend anyone else in the vicinity, because heaven forbid mister Muslim be offended by Jehovah. |
You do realize that Christians and Muslims both worship the god of Abraham, right?| Meanwhile, if a Christian tells a Muslim that he is offended by his faith then we get busted for being racist? Excuse me? |
Yeah, that's not racism, that's just hypocrisy on the Christian's part. I mean, I know why I'm offended by all faith in general, but why should someone who embraces faith be offended by someone embracing a different faith? Is it because merely by being an adherent to Islam, that other person is implicitly saying that your Christian faith is the wrong faith to have? If so, then step into his shoes, and see that your adherence to Christianity implies that you think that Islam is wrong. You don't have the moral high-ground, here.| The hypocrisy here is IMMENSE. |
You can say that again.
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But that's the problem. We are to encourage people to come to our faith, and yes there are some morons who make it into a whole hate thing. That's probably what turned you off from faith. I can understand someone saying something when it becomes "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL!! YOU'RE A HORRIBLE EVIL PERSON!!" but what I get frustrated with is when people start flipping out when a Christian says "God bless," or, probably the worst one I've heard "God bless you," after sneezing (in that particular situation the person flipped out because after I said "God bless you" he said "I'm offended by that, don't even mention God."). I lose patience there because it's ridiculous. |
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Hal
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 01/31/2012 : 07:36:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by djpats
But that's the problem. We are to encourage people to come to our faith, and yes there are some morons who make it into a whole hate thing. That's probably what turned you off from faith. I can understand someone saying something when it becomes "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL!! YOU'RE A HORRIBLE EVIL PERSON!!" but what I get frustrated with is when people start flipping out when a Christian says "God bless," or, probably the worst one I've heard "God bless you," after sneezing (in that particular situation the person flipped out because after I said "God bless you" he said "I'm offended by that, don't even mention God."). I lose patience there because it's ridiculous.
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I'm an atheist (not because anyone ever hurt my feelings by yelling about Hell), and I would happily agree with you that such a response is just silly.
However, I'd probably take you more seriously if you were more mindful of your own inconsistencies:
| if a Christian tells a Muslim that he is offended by his faith then we get busted for being racist? |
The non-believer deserves reproach because it's silly for him to take offense at "God bless," but the Christian who "tells a Muslim that he is offended by his faith" is supposed to be OK? Maybe I've missed your point, but they both sound pretty stupid to me. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 01/31/2012 : 08:19:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by djpats
But that's the problem. We are to encourage people to come to our faith... |
Which chapter and verse is that, again?| ...and yes there are some morons who make it into a whole hate thing. |
Seems like historically, those morons have been the majority of followers.| That's probably what turned you off from faith. |
Not hardly.| I can understand someone saying something when it becomes "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL!! YOU'RE A HORRIBLE EVIL PERSON!!" but what I get frustrated with is when people start flipping out when a Christian says "God bless," or, probably the worst one I've heard "God bless you," after sneezing (in that particular situation the person flipped out because after I said "God bless you" he said "I'm offended by that, don't even mention God."). |
That's the worst you've heard? You've had a sheltered life.| I lose patience there because it's ridiculous. |
Almost as ridiculous as being offended by someone else's faith. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 01/31/2012 : 11:37:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by djpats
We are to encourage people to come to our faith, and yes there are some morons who make it into a whole hate thing. |
It's more than just hate thing. It's about their feeling it's appropriate to dictate to others what they should do and what they shouldn't do: pushing their own moral standard on people who wants to be left alone. And they are more than just some morons. Look at the traction the Republican party has among their conservative Christian support-base. Hell, even Democratic congress people are scared shitless of what would happen to their voters if they decided to support the removal of the unconstitutional labelling on the currency which reads "In God We Trust"...
That's probably what turned you off from faith. |
Not really. It was the disconnect from Reality, letting wishful thinking dictate how you perceive the world around you, and the blatant disregard of what evidence show.
That Christians behaving like ass-holes only made me realise they were more hypocrites than non-believers (and that I did not wish by be associated with them any longer), only gave me a push in the right direction. It gave me the incentive to examine my situation in more perspectives that just the one prescribed by my minister.
I can understand someone saying something when it becomes "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL!! YOU'RE A HORRIBLE EVIL PERSON!!" but what I get frustrated with is when people start flipping out when a Christian says "God bless," or, probably the worst one I've heard "God bless you," after sneezing (in that particular situation the person flipped out because after I said "God bless you" he said "I'm offended by that, don't even mention God."). I lose patience there because it's ridiculous.
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Did you stop to consider that this person may already have had an overdose of "God bless you" to the point of being more than just a little annoyed by it? Did you ever consider how you yourself would feel if the opposite was true, and everyone ran around saying "Satan take you" at every corner, and especially at every sneeze when you were having a cold?
Why do you feel it is ridiculous for someone to ask you to respect his religious views?
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Cue the oh so persecuted delusionists
