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teched246
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 Posted - 01/05/2012 : 09:49:11
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June 2001 Cover Design for the hip hop group, Coup
1996 Illuminati Card Game
June 2001 broadcast by Bill Cooper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTjPGy2k_U
In the first two minutes he states very clearly that the goverment is planning a major false flag terrorist attack that is going to be blamed on Osama bin laden.
July 2001 broadcast by Alex Jones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5ElXWJozEQ
At 1:21 Jones states that the goverment had plans for a reichstag event involving bin laden, and that these plans were to be carried out in the following months. He goes on to state at 2:30 that the event will involve the World Trade Center.
March 2001 Lone Gunmen Episode 1: Pilot (x-files spin-off)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIZ205ccX8M
In this short clip, a senior bureaucrat is elaborating on a false flag terrorist attack by a faction within the goverment. At 0:53 he states, and I quote:
"The cold war is over John, but with no clear enemy to stock pile against the arms market is flat but bring down a fully loaded 727 into the middle of New York City and you'll find a dozen tin pot dictators all over the world just clamoring to take responsibilty"
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"For all things have been baptized in the well of eternity and are beyond good
and evil; and good and evil themselves are but intervening shadows and damp
depressions and drifting clouds.Verily, it is a blessing and not a blasphemy
when I teach: ‘Over all things stand the heaven Accident, the heaven
Innocence, the heaven Chance, the heaven Prankishness." -Nietzsche |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 11:45:42 [Permalink]
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Your point being...?
Can reality out-weird fiction? Yes, absolutely.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 11:49:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by teched246
June 2001 Cover Design for the hip hop group, Coup
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The WTC explosions were not detonated by a Covert-Labs digital chromatic tuner.1996 Illuminati Card Game
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The WTC was not nuked, and the artist obviously never looked at the buildings if the card is supposed to look like them (and they're too short).
The Pentagon card is not about a disaster, and it did not get nuked, either. You really need to understand the game before you can contextualize the fictional artwork.Hussein was not involved in 9/11. Gulf War I concluded five years before the game came out.June 2001 broadcast by Bill Cooper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTjPGy2k_U
In the first two minutes he states very clearly that the goverment is planning a major false flag terrorist attack that is going to be blamed on Osama bin laden. |
No, he says the New World Order (not "the government") will stage an attack and the blame will fall on bin Laden because he's just an NWO puppet. And as an excuse to take away our guns in preparation for a socialist world government, 9/11 totally failed.July 2001 broadcast by Alex Jones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5ElXWJozEQ
At 1:21 Jones states that the goverment had plans for a reichstag event involving bin laden, and that these plans were to be carried out in the following months. He goes on to state at 2:30 that the event will involve the World Trade Center. |
No, he mentions the previous WTC bombing at 2:30:Because now they're going from killing 160 people in Oklahoma City, and 81 at Waco, and a couple dozen injuring 1,000 at the World Trade Center, to saying one to four million. He's clearly "predicting" that the terrorist event which will be blamed on someone like bin Laden will kill 1 to 4 million people (didn't happen). And the attack will be an excuse to impose martial law (another total failure).March 2001 Lone Gunmen Episode 1: Pilot (x-files spin-off)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIZ205ccX8M
In this short clip, a senior bureaucrat is elaborating on a false flag terrorist attack by a faction within the goverment. At 0:53 he states, and I quote:
"The cold war is over John, but with no clear enemy to stock pile against the arms market is flat but bring down a fully loaded 727 into the middle of New York City and you'll find a dozen tin pot dictators all over the world just clamoring to take responsibilty" |
And that's not what happened on 9/11, either. Also, bin Laden was no tin-pot dictator, and rather than begging to be smart-bombed, he ran and hid.
The more important point is one to which you still won't respond (but you'll annoyingly start a new thread anyway): the WTC was an obvious target long before even the 1993 bombing. That's why it's a popular target in terrorism fiction! These predictions aren't so much predictions, but statements of the obvious. Coup, for example, used it on their album cover because the WTC had been an icon of corporatism since before it was even built.
"An attack on the WTC" was the easy prediction. "Osama bin Laden" was an obvious prediction, too. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 21:33:31 [Permalink]
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teched246......
Thrust given, parry taken!
Is that all there is? |
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 08:15:51 [Permalink]
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Those cards are part of the game called Illumninati. I played an earlier edition in the late 1980's.
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/859/illuminati
teched246, are you implying that there was a grand conspiracy that involved Steve Jackson's gaming company announcing a nefarious plan years before it was hatched? If so, you have done what's called anomaly hunting. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2012 : 10:16:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ThorGoLucky
Those cards are part of the game called Illumninati. I played an earlier edition in the late 1980's.
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/859/illuminati
teched246, are you implying that there was a grand conspiracy that involved Steve Jackson's gaming company announcing a nefarious plan years before it was hatched? If so, you have done what's called anomaly hunting.
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What's interesting from a skeptical point of view is that one of the big problems of truther claims is the number of people who would have to be envolved to make it happen and to cover it up. Like those "skeptics" who claim that we never went to the moon, we are literally talking about hundreds if not thousands of people who were in on it and know the "truth" about it, but aren't talking. It stretches the credibility of the claim, to say the least. But now, here, teched246 is looking for clues in popular culture, as though those who were conspiracy minded and therefor secretive, were sharing information all over the place... In games, in movies and even in album art. And that works for him.
If the truthers are correct, the only evidence that is worth looking at is evidence that 9/11 really was an inside job, and present it. So far, what evidence has been presented has had major flaws that have been pointed out in detail. And while there is a slim chance that it was an inside job, there just seems to be way too much assumed by the truthers that they refuse to see the flaws in what they see as evidence, which almost always boils down to speculation on their part, based on an idea that they are already committed to. Much like creationists, they are trying to force fit the facts to support their case. And that is not skepticism! If they were truly skeptics, they would attempt to look at the facts objectively. But how can they do that if they are already convinced about where the facts will lead? Confirmation bias is a strong motivator, which is why we promote critical thinking. There has to be rules to the road for eliminating bias, or at least a method for allowing information that doesn't confirm a bias to be accepted, even if grudgingly.
teched246 has left the evidence behind. He's now reaching so hard that he's finding ah-ha moments where no actual evidence exists. Looking at popular culture for clues is nothing more than myth making. Those "clues" however tenuous they may be, feed his conviction of a great conspiracy, even when upon closer inspection, they actually argue against his conviction, given that the whole 9/11 conspiracy thing was supposed to be a secret. The logic of being warned about a secret like 9/11 in games and movies is so convoluted that it's laughable.
If I were to give teched246 any advise, it would be to learn what critical thinking and the scientific method is all about and start applying it to his own ideas. No one like being wrong, but it beats being credulous to the point of being ridiculous.
And one other thing. I doubt that anyone here doesn't get that 9/11 was used by the Bush administration as a way to implement the neocon idea of nation building by way of war. It served that goal for them. But that doesn't mean they did the deed. Being a political opportunist is par. The actual conspiracy was the use of that event to push an agenda. And we all know what happened there. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 11:37:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Like those "skeptics" who claim that we never went to the moon, we are literally talking about hundreds if not thousands of people who were in on it and know the "truth" about it, but aren't talking. It stretches the credibility of the claim, to say the least. |
Especially when the Soviet Union would have had to be in on the conspiracy of silence. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 13:01:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ThorGoLucky
Those cards are part of the game called Illumninati. I played an earlier edition in the late 1980's.
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/859/illuminati
teched246, are you implying that there was a grand conspiracy that involved Steve Jackson's gaming company announcing a nefarious plan years before it was hatched? If so, you have done what's called anomaly hunting.
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Well, you know... FBI did in fact raid Steve Jackson Games office and confiscated their computers and other working material claiming they planning terrorist actions. Of course, is wasn't called "terrorist actions" back then, merely criminal activities.
And yet again, it was just bullshit: Lawenforcement without any sense of humour or critical thinking skills. SJG was just doing research for the cyber-punk roleplaying game (if I recall correctly). |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2012 : 15:21:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Well, you know... FBI did in fact raid Steve Jackson Games office and confiscated their computers and other working material claiming they planning terrorist actions. Of course, is wasn't called "terrorist actions" back then, merely criminal activities.
And yet again, it was just bullshit: Lawenforcement without any sense of humour or critical thinking skills. SJG was just doing research for the cyber-punk roleplaying game (if I recall correctly). |
Read all about it here in the court's decision. |
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Could they have been more obvious?
