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Gorgo
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 13:58:57 [Permalink]
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| I have heard good things about him, I didn't mean to say otherwise, just that I haven't followed him. That may be my loss, but Dawkins is a good teacher. |
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The dog has not been fed in years
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 18:07:08 [Permalink]
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| The thing about Tyson is that he's beyond a good teacher. The guy has a very strong presentation, and with an infectious enthusiasm for science. That's why the guy's so important, and why people care what he says. If he was ineffective in the first place, who would care? |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 00:53:03 [Permalink]
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I also have this to say about that:
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 04/12/2012 : 03:22:30 [Permalink]
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I don't think he thought this out well enough to call it a "Big Think".
He's not an atheist, he "think[s] for [him]self".
Originally posted by HalfMooner
The thing about Tyson is that he's beyond a good teacher. The guy has a very strong presentation, and with an infectious enthusiasm for science. That's why the guy's so important, and why people care what he says. If he was ineffective in the first place, who would care?
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The dog has not been fed in years
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Robert Hunter
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 05:02:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
I don't think he thought this out well enough to call it a "Big Think".
He's not an atheist, he "think[s] for [him]self".
Originally posted by HalfMooner
The thing about Tyson is that he's beyond a good teacher. The guy has a very strong presentation, and with an infectious enthusiasm for science. That's why the guy's so important, and why people care what he says. If he was ineffective in the first place, who would care?
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I sort of expect that Tyson will apologize/correct what he's said. I think he misspoke (even if he thinks the words he said). Dawkins has many times corrected the rare boneheaded statement that anyone makes from time to time. This was simply a time when Tyson got carried away, I think. In trying to reduce friction with one set of people, he ended up dumping on another, and it was both unnecessary and counterproductive in practical terms.
Tyson's too valuable a guy to brush off for one statement. I'll wait and see what he says next. I'm willing to continue to support him if he pulls back a little bit. But if it turns out he really is determined to launch a fight with the Gnus, he'll soon see a charging herd of wildebeests. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Dude
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 07:08:28 [Permalink]
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If you are an agnostic then you are, by definition, an atheist because both of those things mean that you don't have a personal belief in any deities. Agnosticism just goes a step further and explains why you don't have that belief.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 08:09:41 [Permalink]
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No, we don't want to brush him off for a statement of a few seconds. I think it should be at least questioned.
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Tyson's too valuable a guy to brush off for one statement. I'll wait and see what he says next. I'm willing to continue to support him if he pulls back a little bit. But if it turns out he really is determined to launch a fight with the Gnus, he'll soon see a charging herd of wildebeests.
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I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 10:59:55 [Permalink]
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Not to judge him on this one incident, it seems he is a bit of a pansy ass when it came to defending what science strongly indicates at this time. That being science, which is a method/tool, has demonstrated that the belief of theists that there is a god/s are delusional based on not one single bit of any kind of supporting evidence to support of their beliefs has ever been presented by believers. It's a bit of a "wishy-washy" comment that he choose to ineffectually dance around the topic with. I'm disappointed by his opinion that coddling ignorant outdated beliefs is the best way, when it come to educating them out of existence 100% of the time.
Not at all the way Bill Nye choose to address ignorance when he intentionally, in Waco, Tx, brought up a fact that the Bible has completely wrong. Where it is written in Genesis,,,
"God made two great lights -- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars."
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While ignoring the real confrontational possibilities at the time, Bill was completely unapologetic, stood his ground and stayed on message. Being unafraid to speak and stick to the facts. Bill is not intimated into being voluntarily gagged by those who do so to themselves and would have us live in the ignorance of our past so their theist figureheads can maintain their position of authority and power over those to insecure and brainwashed since birth to let go of their adult version of a all knowing father figure and protector. Everyone should become complete adults by outgrowing their childlike needs to be cared for by a "parent creator". That would of course require one to think for themselves and without the fear of an imaginary God.
Don't get me wrong. Yes, there is value in a non confrontational methods. I'm saying there are times when we need to address the elephant in the room and Tyson gives no indication he understands that it's necessary with some, as Dawkings knows and has said as much.
PS As noted, with a video, in Kil's post below my words "Tyson gives no indication he understands that" above are completely false, he does. I have been corrected. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 11:15:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by Gorgo
I don't think he thought this out well enough to call it a "Big Think".
He's not an atheist, he "think[s] for [him]self".
Originally posted by HalfMooner
The thing about Tyson is that he's beyond a good teacher. The guy has a very strong presentation, and with an infectious enthusiasm for science. That's why the guy's so important, and why people care what he says. If he was ineffective in the first place, who would care?
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I sort of expect that Tyson will apologize/correct what he's said. I think he misspoke (even if he thinks the words he said). Dawkins has many times corrected the rare boneheaded statement that anyone makes from time to time. This was simply a time when Tyson got carried away, I think. In trying to reduce friction with one set of people, he ended up dumping on another, and it was both unnecessary and counterproductive in practical terms.
Tyson's too valuable a guy to brush off for one statement. I'll wait and see what he says next. I'm willing to continue to support him if he pulls back a little bit. But if it turns out he really is determined to launch a fight with the Gnus, he'll soon see a charging herd of wildebeests.
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He's not launching a fight with the Gnus. He just did a bit of lumping. He and Dawkins appear on many panels together and I'm sure they are friends. As he said, he just doesn't want to be bothered with labeling. I doubt that he will take it back because it's not that important to him. There are videos on youtube where he describes the damage that religion has done to the acquisition of knowledge.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 11:29:10 [Permalink]
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I'm saying there are times when we need to address the elephant in the room and Tyson gives no indication he understands that it's necessary with some, as Dawkings knows and has said as much. |
See above links and also do a bit of exploring on what Tyson says about religion. Man is he getting a bum rap over one freaking quote!
And this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oxTMUTOz0w&feature=related
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 12:36:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
He's not launching a fight with the Gnus. He just did a bit of lumping. He and Dawkins appear on many panels together and I'm sure they are friends. As he said, he just doesn't want to be bothered with labeling. I doubt that he will take it back because it's not that important to him. There are videos on youtube where he describes the damage that religion has done to the acquisition of knowledge.
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At this time, unless Tyson retracts his nasty attack on atheists (one of which he really is, despite his rather disingenuous dodging), I think he's already declared at least a shouting match with a sizable proportion of atheists, old and gnu. Whatever Dawkins might say or think, not all other Gnu atheists are unlikely to take marching orders from him. He's respected, but nobody elected him as a representative. Tyson should take this seriously.
I know, and can speak for, at least one atheist who is provisionally offended, but who is hopefully awaiting Tyson's second thoughts on what he said. If he doesn't retract his calumny (and I still expect him to do so), he'll soon be no pal of mine.
The YouTube stuff just shows he really doesn't differ as much from atheists as he claims. I wish he were more consistent, and intellectually honest. |
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 12:47:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
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I'm saying there are times when we need to address the elephant in the room and Tyson gives no indication he understands that it's necessary with some, as Dawkings knows and has said as much. |
See above links and also do a bit of exploring on what Tyson says about religion. Man is he getting a bum rap over one freaking quote!
And this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oxTMUTOz0w&feature=related
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Rightly noted. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 13:09:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by sailingsoul
Originally posted by Kil
SS:
I'm saying there are times when we need to address the elephant in the room and Tyson gives no indication he understands that it's necessary with some, as Dawkings knows and has said as much. |
See above links and also do a bit of exploring on what Tyson says about religion. Man is he getting a bum rap over one freaking quote!
And this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oxTMUTOz0w&feature=related
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Rightly noted.
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Great stuff. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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Robert Hunter
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 17:45:07 [Permalink]
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| My opinion, Mab, is don't hold your breath. lf Dawkins can forgive him, being that they are friends and appear together often, my advice is to let it go. Do the Gnu's have to be so freaking sensitive? Why not follow the lead of one of the founders of your movement, eh? |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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 Posted - 04/12/2012 : 19:36:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
My opinion, Mab, is don't hold your breath. |
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
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Neil de Grasse Tyson, Atheist or Agnostic
