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the_ignored
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 Posted - 10/07/2012 : 20:10:19
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Stephen Law caught this one. Pretty easy since the claim was made in a debate with Law.
This is yet another apologetic attempt to make reality mesh with the bible. In this instance William Craig, in a debate with Law had claimed that animals don't feel pain.
| Recently, some theists have attempted to deal with that part of the problem of evil generated by horrendous animal suffering found in nature - including hundreds of millions of years of animal suffering before we humans even showed up - by saying that animals aren't aware that they are in pain. They maintain this is what "science" has shown. |
This video is where he makes the claim about how non-higher primate animals have no prefrontal cortex.
Law has a video in his post linked at the beginning where several scientists call that claim of Craig's to be outright bullshit.
The tosser here is that Craig got that "scientific" fact from a fellow bullshit artist (apologist) named Micheal Murray.
This is an example of the idiocy that comes about when one tries to force reality into ideology. Just like with the creationists with the speed of light problem.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
Edited by - the_ignored on 10/07/2012 20:12:11
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
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Posted - 10/08/2012 : 09:37:24 [Permalink]
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I gather that William Craig has no pets, or if he does he has no grasp of reality.
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 10/09/2012 : 09:10:35 [Permalink]
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I would say his connection with reality is less than it could be. Possibly a result of his conformation bias and somewhat from being an old school moron. I'm not saying that because I disagree with his unfounded belief but before the age of 12 y/o most people become aware of animals nature and their ability to experience pain.
When I was very young it was taught that what made humans different from animals was our ability to make and use tools. I've lost count of examples where that has been shown and proven wrong.
I suspect Mr. Craig has a defective pre-frontal cortex
| This brain region has been implicated in planning complex cognitive behavior, personality expression, decision making and moderating social behavior.[1] The basic activity of this brain region is considered to be orchestration of thoughts and actions in accordance with internal goals.[2] |
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There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS |
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William Craig: Animals Don't Feel Pain-Science: BS
