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the_ignored
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 Posted - 10/16/2012 : 21:33:45
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On Dan's blog there is currently a guy named Jake_Russel who is trying to use evidence to sway atheists. Something Dan used to do. Dan is having none of that.
Dan says its unbiblical. Go and read it, it's a laugh riot.
Jake,
In a court room who do you give evidence to? The Judge and Jury, right? But you want to give evidence to the criminal, the unbeliever, to judge God. That is unbiblical. God said everyone already know who He is. Is that wrong? What is the purpose of Christ if YOU can do things to get people to Heaven? Evidence presupposes the God of Scripture, you cannot make sense of evidence unless you start with God.
Do you consider yourself Arminian?
Let me ask you this: If Jesus was in the boat and you were drowning. Jesus throws you a life ring. Technically, who saves you? Jesus right. Now, you and a stranger are in the water and Jesus throws two life rings and you place one around the stranger and one around yourself. Who saved the stranger technically? You?
Here is the reality, it is a trick question, you both are dead on the bottom of the lake and the miracle of Christ saves you, not you or your ability to grasp said life ring.
"Salvation is not for a sick man who needs a doctor, but a dead man who needs a miracle." ~Brian Murray.
The HOLY spirit must call the person. You completely contradict Scripture (1 Corinthians 12:3) You can’t convince people to enter into that relationship. That is God’s responsibility.
Your role is to keep pointing people to God, it is God’s role to call them to himself. If God is not calling them, then nothing you do will convince them otherwise. God needs to actually work in the life of the people for them to become Christians. He did it in you, and everyone else who becomes a Christian, and He uses people like you to foster the relationship on His behalf. You're claiming there is no purpose for the Holy Spirit. That it is up to you to "win hearts". That is blasphemy. (Proverbs 3:5-6, John 14:26, 1 John 2:27)
Now you claim through science, evidence, and reason you can convince people to Christ. But that is completely unbiblical.
What we are to do is best explained in 2 Corinthians 10:4-5 "The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ."
As you can see here, we're merely commanded to speak the truth, defend it, and expose falsehoods. |
Note that last sentence there. How is that different really then trying to use evidence to convince the atheist that xianity is true?
Dan's comment to Jake earlier was even funnier.
Yes I agree. Repentance comes BEFORE knowledge of truth, not after: 2 Timothy 2:24-26 |
Oh! Here's where Dan explains the problem which I pointed out later. The "convincing" is out of his hands. It's god that does it.
So then if god doesn't do his part, the person being "witnessed" to goes to hell. So at least part of it his god's responsibility. Or fault. Except no xian will ever admit it.
To top it off, if god is who does the actual convincing, then what does he need those idiots running around doing the actual talking for in the first place? The bullshit goes on and on...
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
Edited by - the_ignored on 10/16/2012 21:36:42
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/17/2012 : 03:40:36 [Permalink]
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Sounds like Dan just doesn't want to admit that there's nothing he can do to help save people, while denying that others can. If it's all god's responsibility, then no human actions matter, and Dan's blog is a complete waste of time and effort.
What is Dan's opinion on reprobates? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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Machi4velli
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/17/2012 : 17:00:26 [Permalink]
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| What the hell was that last sentence about? It was the opposite of what he said the whole time, haha |
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."
-Giordano Bruno
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge."
-Stephen Hawking
"Seeking what is true is not seeking what is desirable"
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the_ignored
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Posted - 10/18/2012 : 19:32:19 [Permalink]
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| Well, that's the end of that I guess. imnotandrei totally kicked ass in those exchanges. I was just along for the ride, for the most part. |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
| Edited by - the_ignored on 10/18/2012 19:33:52 |
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