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Machi4velli
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Posted - 12/20/2012 : 20:54:08 [Permalink]
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I'm saying a single particle as in any single one of the 10^80 particles and then multiplying by each possible Planck time. Multiplying these will count all pairs (x, y) where x is one of the 10^80 particles and y is any one of the 10^62 Planck time increments in history.
It's not meaningless, it does count the number of ways to change exactly one particle at exactly one available time increment, but that's not useful. |
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Dave W.
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 Posted - 12/20/2012 : 22:24:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Machi4velli
I'm saying a single particle as in any single one of the 10^80 particles and then multiplying by each possible Planck time. Multiplying these will count all pairs (x, y) where x is one of the 10^80 particles and y is any one of the 10^62 Planck time increments in history.
It's not meaningless, it does count the number of ways to change exactly one particle at exactly one available time increment, but that's not useful. |
Ah, okay. I get it.
Going back a bit, for giggles I ran my card-deck randomizer with 100,000 cards. I won't reproduce the results here (it'd be a 700 KB comment), but it only took 134 seconds to generate an event of probability 1/(2.8×10456573). I'm going to crank it up to a million cards...
Edited to add that a million cards took 26 minutes. |
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Dave W.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/22/2012 : 13:44:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Going back a bit, for giggles I ran my card-deck randomizer with 100,000 cards. I won't reproduce the results here (it'd be a 700 KB comment), but it only took 134 seconds to generate an event of probability 1/(2.8×10456573). I'm going to crank it up to a million cards...
Edited to add that a million cards took 26 minutes. |
And ten million cards took three hours, 35 minutes and 32 seconds. It took ten minutes to just log all the numbers to a file.
I've got another machine working on calculating 10,000,000!, but it's going to take a while, also. If the machine has enough memory. Testing the code on 1,000,000! required several megabytes, and it gets exponentially worse. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 12/22/2012 : 14:28:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Dave W.
Going back a bit, for giggles I ran my card-deck randomizer with 100,000 cards. I won't reproduce the results here (it'd be a 700 KB comment), but it only took 134 seconds to generate an event of probability 1/(2.8×10456573). I'm going to crank it up to a million cards...
Edited to add that a million cards took 26 minutes. |
And ten million cards took three hours, 35 minutes and 32 seconds. It took ten minutes to just log all the numbers to a file.
I've got another machine working on calculating 10,000,000!, but it's going to take a while, also. If the machine has enough memory. Testing the code on 1,000,000! required several megabytes, and it gets exponentially worse.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/22/2012 : 17:01:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Do you have any projections on when your computer becomes self-aware? |
I wish one could get there by shuffling virtual cards and calculating factorials.
I'm just one of those people willing to code and let run brute-force algorithms that take hours or days to complete. |
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Machi4velli
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Posted - 12/24/2012 : 10:22:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Machi4velli
I'm saying a single particle as in any single one of the 10^80 particles and then multiplying by each possible Planck time. Multiplying these will count all pairs (x, y) where x is one of the 10^80 particles and y is any one of the 10^62 Planck time increments in history.
It's not meaningless, it does count the number of ways to change exactly one particle at exactly one available time increment, but that's not useful. |
Ah, okay. I get it.
Going back a bit, for giggles I ran my card-deck randomizer with 100,000 cards. I won't reproduce the results here (it'd be a 700 KB comment), but it only took 134 seconds to generate an event of probability 1/(2.8×10456573). I'm going to crank it up to a million cards...
Edited to add that a million cards took 26 minutes.
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"you're an intelligent being and designed the random event"  |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/24/2012 : 13:41:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Machi4velli
"you're an intelligent being and designed the random event" |
Yeah, in which case every human-designed test of design should give positive results, as I mentioned before. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/02/2013 : 09:46:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
I've got another machine working on calculating 10,000,000!, but it's going to take a while, also. If the machine has enough memory. Testing the code on 1,000,000! required several megabytes, and it gets exponentially worse. |
I know you guys were hanging on this... the results are finally in!
10,000,000! is 1.202×1065,657,059.
This 218,108,030-bit number took my pitiful 2.7 GHz PC (with my non-optimized code) about 4.3 days to calculate, and then another 7.3 days to figure out the decimal representation (also not very optimized). |
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ThorGoLucky
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Posted - 01/02/2013 : 14:50:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Dave W.
I've got another machine working on calculating 10,000,000!, but it's going to take a while, also. If the machine has enough memory. Testing the code on 1,000,000! required several megabytes, and it gets exponentially worse. |
I know you guys were hanging on this... the results are finally in!
10,000,000! is 1.202×1065,657,059.
This 218,108,030-bit number took my pitiful 2.7 GHz PC (with my non-optimized code) about 4.3 days to calculate, and then another 7.3 days to figure out the decimal representation (also not very optimized).
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Wolfram Alpha calculated it in a split second.
1.202423400515903456140153487944307569767680... × 10^65657059
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/02/2013 : 19:34:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ThorGoLucky
Wolfram Alpha calculated it in a split second.
1.202423400515903456140153487944307569767680... × 10^65657059 |
Yeah, I did it the brute-force way. I learned about the Gamma function just now. And I'm sure there's a much faster method for converting binary to decimal than the one I used (which runs fast enough when there are fewer than a few hundred digits involved), I just don't know it. |
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