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sailingsoul
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 Posted - 05/06/2013 : 17:35:17
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Well, this is interesting. Anyone catch wind of this on the main stream media? This is taking Jury Nullification of laws to a whole new level, state level directed at the Fed's.
Article Posted May 2, 2013
In mid-April, Kansas passed a law asserting that federal gun regulations do not apply to guns made and owned in Kansas. Under the law, Kansans could manufacture and sell semi-automatic weapons in-state without a federal license or any federal oversight.,,,
,,,Bills similar to Kansas’ law have been introduced in at least 37 other states. |
How about them cookies?
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There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS |
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Dave W.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 05/07/2013 : 05:47:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Such brash assertions of States' Rights didn't work so well in 1861.
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In this case, I think it is more symbolic. (You know, this is how state legislatures waste your money.) It is showing that 37 states disagree with the path gun control is going. However, the laws passed will not survive judicial review. They are UnConstitutional on their face and are unenforcable. |
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 05/07/2013 : 08:32:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Originally posted by Dave W.
Such brash assertions of States' Rights didn't work so well in 1861.
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In this case, I think it is more symbolic. (You know, this is how state legislatures waste your money.) It is showing that 37 states disagree with the path gun control is going. However, the laws passed will not survive judicial review. They are UnConstitutional on their face and are unenforcable.
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Yep! you both make valid points. I like to add when it comes down to it, laws are only applied to those who are less powerful than those who wish to enforce them. I'm sure we can all see examples of that happening all over the place whether it is with international treaties, federal, states or lessor laws. It really is those with sufficient power money or influence have a greater chance to do what they want and get away with it. Comes down to it, it's just more of what goes on in the carnival we're all part of. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/07/2013 : 16:57:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
However, the laws passed will not survive judicial review. They are UnConstitutional on their face and are unenforcable. |
The problem isn't unenforceability (?), it's the fact that if the law passes, then the Feds will be obligated to send little armies of ATF agents out to enforce Federal law as soon as companies start making and selling weapons which violate it. Ruby Ridge again, but the compounds under siege by jack-booted G-Men will be factories and warehouses.
The legislators are, in effect, setting people up to be arrested and/or shot for a principle that runs counter to the evidence. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 05/08/2013 : 05:33:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
However, the laws passed will not survive judicial review. They are UnConstitutional on their face and are unenforcable. |
The problem isn't unenforceability (?), it's the fact that if the law passes, then the Feds will be obligated to send little armies of ATF agents out to enforce Federal law as soon as companies start making and selling weapons which violate it. Ruby Ridge again, but the compounds under siege by jack-booted G-Men will be factories and warehouses.
The legislators are, in effect, setting people up to be arrested and/or shot for a principle that runs counter to the evidence.
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The thing is that this is a symbolic act. If they wanted the same effect, they could merely announce that they refuse to enforce such laws and will arrest any Federal agent attempting to enforce those laws. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 05/08/2013 : 08:09:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
If they wanted the same effect, they could merely announce that they refuse to enforce such laws and will arrest any Federal agent attempting to enforce those laws.
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No, state law enforcement do not have the power to arrest Federal agents. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 05/08/2013 : 08:13:42 [Permalink]
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valiant dancerOriginally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
If they wanted the same effect, they could merely announce that they refuse to enforce such laws and will arrest any Federal agent attempting to enforce those laws.
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No, state law enforcement do not have the power to arrest Federal agents.
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That is not absolute nor bastion against states from ordering people with guns to do their bidding. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 05/08/2013 : 11:03:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
That is not absolute nor bastion against states from ordering people with guns to do their bidding.
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Yeah, Civil War is always an option.  |
"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/08/2013 : 12:14:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
The thing is that this is a symbolic act. If they wanted the same effect, they could merely announce that they refuse to enforce such laws and will arrest any Federal agent attempting to enforce those laws. |
State law enforcement officials don't enforce Federal laws. If they did, we wouldn't need the FBI, DEA, ATF, etc. |
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