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Kil
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 09:17:46 [Permalink]
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| By the way. I think Barbara is right in theory. But if the investigation didn't allow Stollznow and Baxter to rebut Radford, then there was something wrong with the investigation, and not the concept of protecting both parties until a conclusion is arrived at. This is a system failure on the part of the CFI investigation and Baxter has a right to be pissed off about it. |
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Dave W.
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by tomk80
I see on the facebook page that people keep pointing to PZ as the one who outed Ben Redford. He wasn't the one that did that.
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True. He reported to a much larger readership than the tweet. |
Murphy's tweet included hashtags "#skeptic #atheist #shame." How many people follow at least one of them? |
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 09:33:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
I never made the assumption that the list would be extraordinarily long from what she had written previously. I always thought it was a small number of people. But that might just be me. |
I was agreeing with you. You said, "Well, here you have them," and I was saying, "yes, all of them."
Just in case someone reading was wondering how many more shoes are still in states of high potential energy. |
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tomk80
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 10:07:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by tomk80
I never made the assumption that the list would be extraordinarily long from what she had written previously. I always thought it was a small number of people. But that might just be me. |
I was agreeing with you. You said, "Well, here you have them," and I was saying, "yes, all of them."
Just in case someone reading was wondering how many more shoes are still in states of high potential energy.
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Okay, than I misread you. |
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Kil
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 10:23:03 [Permalink]
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Dave:
Murphy's tweet included hashtags "#skeptic #atheist #shame." How many people follow at least one of them? |
Yeah. Maybe there were more people who saw that. I dunno. But Myers blog has more impact on the community. (Communities?) It might be misinformation that the news was first reported by Myers. But that's what I thought too, as mentioned earlier in this thread. |
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 12:14:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
But Myers blog has more impact on the community. (Communities?) It might be misinformation that the news was first reported by Myers. But that's what I thought too, as mentioned earlier in this thread. |
I'm having trouble figuring out why it'd even be an issue had Myers been first. Would it have been better if Stollznow had tweeted it first? Better still if she'd named him in the blog piece along with all the other info?
Ian Murphy tweeted Radford's name because he had lunch with Stollznow and asked her if it'd be okay for him to do so. Apparently, she said, "yes," so it's clear she wanted Radford publicly named, and so I suppose she would have eventually done so herself. So why would Myers doing so be a problem in any way, regardless the timing? |
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Kil
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 12:25:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Kil
But Myers blog has more impact on the community. (Communities?) It might be misinformation that the news was first reported by Myers. But that's what I thought too, as mentioned earlier in this thread. |
I'm having trouble figuring out why it'd even be an issue had Myers been first. Would it have been better if Stollznow had tweeted it first? Better still if she'd named him in the blog piece along with all the other info?
Ian Murphy tweeted Radford's name because he had lunch with Stollznow and asked her if it'd be okay for him to do so. Apparently, she said, "yes," so it's clear she wanted Radford publicly named, and so I suppose she would have eventually done so herself. So why would Myers doing so be a problem in any way, regardless the timing?
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I've already explained why I had a problem with Myers post. I happened to have been wrong. I didn't know that Stollznow had given permission to anyone when I objected.
After she wrote that article/blog, I felt that the respectful thing to do would be to have her permission first. And since her permission had been granted, I withdrew my complaint. |
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tomk80
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 14:15:54 [Permalink]
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According to PZ, he now has an anonymous corroborating account of Michael Shermer's behavior, from someone who does not particularly like him.
The fact that these accounts are so far not public remains something I am a bit uncomfortable with, but that can't be helped. |
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 16:47:56 [Permalink]
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Jason Thibeault: The web of trust: Why I believe Shermer’s accusersHumans place a high priority on preventing breaches of trust in interactions — the script goes, if someone is a known scam artist, we take pains to inform people to watch out for their tricks (and thus the entire skeptic movement was born). If someone is a known thief, we take pains to inform people to stow their valuables in their presence. But for some reason, when we talk about rape and sexual assault, the desire to warn people to be wary around them is superceded by fears that any particular warning might be *wrong*, because then you’re doing damage to a person without good cause... |
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 17:44:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
According to PZ, he now has an anonymous corroborating account of Michael Shermer's behavior, from someone who does not particularly like him. |
I had pronoun trouble with this until I read PZ's update. The person doesn't particularly like PZ Myers. I first read the "him" as referring to Shermer. |
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tomk80
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 17:55:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by tomk80
According to PZ, he now has an anonymous corroborating account of Michael Shermer's behavior, from someone who does not particularly like him. |
I had pronoun trouble with this until I read PZ's update. The person doesn't particularly like PZ Myers. I first read the "him" as referring to Shermer.
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I can see that. I should stop typing when I'm tired  |
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Kil
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Posted - 08/11/2013 : 09:32:23 [Permalink]
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