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the_ignored
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 Posted - 12/06/2013 : 19:33:40
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When the Republican leaders praised Mandela for what he accomplished in his life, their supporters went nuts.
Ignorant f***wads.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
Edited by - the_ignored on 12/06/2013 20:59:35
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/08/2013 : 07:33:34 [Permalink]
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As Ed Brayton reminds, right-wing leaders used to call Mandela a commie terrorist. Their current praise for him is based on political convenience, not genuine appreciation.
And Jadehawk warns against liberals cleaning up Mandela's history:In the long term, the second part is even worse. The second part is where the owners of history re-write Mandela's biography as more palatable, squishy, cuddly, liberal-friendly. Now begins the same process that scrubbed all radicalism from the memory of MLK; the kind that takes the fact that after release from prison he chose not to be an agent of vengeance but of reconciliation and extends it beyond all reason to calling Mandela a symbol of "the power of peaceful resolution in even the most intractable conflicts" as a New York Times piece just did. No. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 12/08/2013 : 11:23:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
As Ed Brayton reminds, right-wing leaders used to call Mandela a commie terrorist. Their current praise for him is based on political convenience, not genuine appreciation.
And Jadehawk warns against liberals cleaning up Mandela's history:In the long term, the second part is even worse. The second part is where the owners of history re-write Mandela's biography as more palatable, squishy, cuddly, liberal-friendly. Now begins the same process that scrubbed all radicalism from the memory of MLK; the kind that takes the fact that after release from prison he chose not to be an agent of vengeance but of reconciliation and extends it beyond all reason to calling Mandela a symbol of "the power of peaceful resolution in even the most intractable conflicts" as a New York Times piece just did. No. |
Even Mandela asked to not be placed on a pedestal. He has said that there are many things he did that he regrets having done.
What we should look at is whether South Africa is better off now than it was, and the part that Mandela played in ending apartheid. That's the legacy that will endure. |
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Boron10
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 06:44:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by the_ignored
When the Republican leaders praised Mandela for what he accomplished in his life, their supporters went nuts.
Ignorant f***wads.
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See, this is why we need seperation of church and state.
Because the political parties start claiming that their candidate is Christ-like and their opponent's also claimed that they were Christ-like when they fuck up and do real people things.
Of course, you have extremists (KKK, et al) who will open their ignorant gobs to spill forth some sort of hate.
That Mandella recognized that he was human and asked not to be deified by the masses shows unusual tact by a politician. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/12/2013 : 08:11:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by the_ignored
When the Republican leaders praised Mandela for what he accomplished in his life, their supporters went nuts.
Ignorant f***wads.
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Why are they ignorant fwads? In their criticism they say Mandela was a communist and guess what .......he was a communist!
My guess is that your panties are more twisted over the fact that white conservatives are not allowed to criticize any non-white for anything without being a racist, in your backwards bizarro world. Never mind if these people criticize white communists as well, if they criticize a black communist it obviously is solely driven by race alone, at least that is the way you will spin it in your backwards bizzaro world.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/08/opinion/sunday/keller-nelson-mandela-communist.html?_r=0 |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/12/2013 : 21:18:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Why are they ignorant fwads? In their criticism they say Mandela was a communist and guess what .......he was a communist! |
But it's not about that, it's about Republican Party purity and political expediency. The rank-and-file of the GOP are criticizing GOP leadership not because Mandela was a communist, but because the leadership is now praising Mandela when 20 years ago they would have been shouting "commie!" also.
Of course, the commenters highlighted in the TPM article calling Mandela a mass murderer and killer of white folk really are ignorant asshats. The idea that Mandela was in favor of a Castro-style dictatorship is similarly deluded. But what the TPM article really brings home is how disappointed Republicans are with Cruz, Boehner, etc. because they're no longer spouting the decades-old party dogma about Mandela. They're "showing their true colors" as RINOs at best, and as fellow commies at worst.
That's how far the political spectrum has shifted. Say something nice about someone who unarguably did a lot of good despite once being a communist terrorist, and get branded an ignorant leftist yourself. Stick to the ancient right-wing propaganda, or lose voters.| My guess is that your panties are more twisted over the fact that white conservatives are not allowed to criticize any non-white for anything without being a racist, in your backwards bizarro world. |
It's funny how it's always about race to you, yet you're not a racist. Go figure.| Never mind if these people criticize white communists as well, if they criticize a black communist it obviously is solely driven by race alone... |
Ig didn't say anything about race, you just "guessed" that that's what he's "obviously" thinking, Bill.That's an excellent article, Bill, and it points out exactly why a lot of the rage against GOP leadership is indeed coming from "Ignorant f***wads." |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 12/12/2013 : 22:40:28 [Permalink]
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Ed Brayton again: Mandela the Communist Terrorist. It's a good essay and you should read the whole thing, but this part seemed relevant to Bill's concerns: They also call him a communist, which is what they call virtually everyone who disagrees with them. And it’s true that he was closely allied with the South African Communist Party and that communist countries were supporters of the African National Congress. But this is primarily because the capitalist countries of the West were virtually unanimous in supporting the apartheid government because they wanted access to the minerals they were using virtual slave labor to procure in that country.
Cecil Rhodes, who owned many of those minds, said, “We must find new lands from which we can easily obtain raw materials and at the same time exploit the cheap slave labor that is available from the natives of the colonies. The colonies would also provide a dumping ground for the surplus goods produced in our factories.” And that’s exactly what they did, using black slave labor from South Africa to control 90% of the world’s diamond market and make unthinkable amounts of money from it.
In 1981, Ronald Reagan said he supported the South African government because it was “a country that has stood by us in every war we’ve ever fought, a country that, strategically, is essential to the free world in its production of minerals.” Mandela had promised to nationalize the mines if the ANC ever overthrew the government (a promise he broke when he became president), so he had to be smeared as an evil communist and the South African government had to be supported.
Is it really any wonder that the people struggling against this vile government would accept support from the only ones who would offer it? If we had acted on the principles we proclaim so loudly and supported democracy, freedom and equality, the outcome might have been completely different. But we wanted the minerals they were using slaves to get, so to hell with those inconvenient principles. So we supported the government who committed the most brutal and barbaric acts imaginable on the black people under their control. What the government did to them was a thousand times more brutal, more common and more terroristic than what those allied with Mandela did. So what does it say about those who call him a terrorist while supporting the government that imprisoned him? |
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Repugs' constituents hate Mandela, it seems.
