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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/10/2014 :  16:12:27  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Ideology of Skepticism
Skeptics are, of course, humans—flawed humans with tender egos who don’t like being challenged about their deeply held convictions (even peripherally)—but if the skepticism is going to matter more than an ideological cause, skeptics have to be willing to be challenged. They should welcome a crucible to their claims and be grateful if they’ve been called out on using flawed data. They should eschew bad arguments, not point fingers and whine that the other side did it first. They should be willing to entertain differences of opinions on issues of high complexity, especially when experts have differing opinions. They should be willing to accept their ability to err and their human frailty to ignore logic when their blood is up.

Instead, time and again, I’ve seen the opposite. I’ve seen comment threads by people who agree with each other on 99% of an issue breaking down because a single study involves comparing groups with too many x-factors. I’ve seen people conflate doubt with supporting the other side. And I’ve seen skepticism (in its truest sense) met with scathing repudiation and censure. For many in our communities a “skeptic” is more of an ideologue (perhaps even a fanatic would be the more appropriate term) who just happens to be operating on the “correct” side of a skeptical issue.

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Kil
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Posted - 08/10/2014 :  18:09:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

The Ideology of Skepticism
Skeptics are, of course, humans—flawed humans with tender egos who don’t like being challenged about their deeply held convictions (even peripherally)—but if the skepticism is going to matter more than an ideological cause, skeptics have to be willing to be challenged. They should welcome a crucible to their claims and be grateful if they’ve been called out on using flawed data. They should eschew bad arguments, not point fingers and whine that the other side did it first. They should be willing to entertain differences of opinions on issues of high complexity, especially when experts have differing opinions. They should be willing to accept their ability to err and their human frailty to ignore logic when their blood is up.

Instead, time and again, I’ve seen the opposite. I’ve seen comment threads by people who agree with each other on 99% of an issue breaking down because a single study involves comparing groups with too many x-factors. I’ve seen people conflate doubt with supporting the other side. And I’ve seen skepticism (in its truest sense) met with scathing repudiation and censure. For many in our communities a “skeptic” is more of an ideologue (perhaps even a fanatic would be the more appropriate term) who just happens to be operating on the “correct” side of a skeptical issue.


There is nothing here or in the article that I don't agree with.

I posted this on my facebook timeline the other day:

I don't really tweet. I just looked at my twitter account and recent tweets and got thoroughly depressed. Well... There were a few by people who weren't fuming about something or someone. I swear. Sometimes it feels like almost everyone is at war with some group or other. Perhaps the idea that we even have a community is a bad joke.

No "likes" from the people it was aimed at, several of whom are friends of mine.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/10/2014 :  18:33:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And apparently, some people now are claiming that any criticism of others within the movement(s) are the result of "outrage," and not merely someone calmly saying, "that's not a good idea, and here's why."

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/18/2014 :  05:51:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

And apparently, some people now are claiming that any criticism of others within the movement(s) are the result of "outrage," and not merely someone calmly saying, "that's not a good idea, and here's why."


It's easier to dismiss dissent without having to deal with icky valid arguments. They are learning well from the woo that they fight. Not in a good way, either.


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