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Dave W.
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Was a hoax, of course, perpetrated by the Obama administration to take away our guns. At least, that's true according to denialists like James Tracy, Ph.D.. And he's so convinced that he's harassed the parents of one of the dead kids, demanding "proof" that the child existed and that they were his parents. And their reasonable refusal to such ridiculous demands is taken as evidence of the rightness of his position.
(He also thinks the Boston Marathon bombing was staged by the government. How far does his Crank Magnetism go?)
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 12/15/2015 : 20:47:30 [Permalink]
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| With his logic both bushs and jimmy carter tried the same approach and it didn't work. Three year after Sandy Hook there is no change. "Fantastical claims made w/o evidence, can be dismissed w/o evidence. Carl Sagan", or as I like to say " An idiot's ideas made unsupported, can be dismissed as an idiot's idea". |
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ThorGoLucky
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Posted - 12/19/2015 : 11:04:15 [Permalink]
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| Because anything that could possibly cause people to wise up and want reasonable gun laws is somehow a nefarious plot. |
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perrodetokio
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Posted - 12/24/2015 : 01:30:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ThorGoLucky
Because anything that could possibly cause people to wise up and want reasonable gun laws is somehow a nefarious plot.
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Exactly! And WE ARE talking and HAVE BEEN talking about REASONABLE gun laws and not a THEY WANT TO TAKE MY GUNS AWAY! scenario. |
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Dave W.
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ThorGoLucky
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 01/08/2016 : 16:55:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Oh, look! Despite being a tenured professor, James Tracy's school fired his ass.
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Now that is something. I thought tenured meant something but apparently so did Mr. Tracy. There is a lesson here to be learned, I do believe. |
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Dave W.
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On fire for Christ
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Norway
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Posted - 01/10/2016 : 09:27:47 [Permalink]
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should gun control be implemented? Guns are so ubiquitous in America it seems like anyone who wants a gun to commit a crime should be able to obtain one with ease from the number that are already in circulation.
More people die in gun related gang crime than in mass shootings. Guns used in mass shootings are usually legally owned, and those crimes might be averted by gun control, as those types of people are less likely to buy guns illegally. So gun control would seem to have little affect on the main problem with is gang related shootings using illegal unregistered weapons that are being carried in public. The best way to prevent these types of crimes would seem to be a larger police presence in the affected areas, and more profiling of gang members for stop and search. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/10/2016 : 20:35:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
So gun control would seem to have little affect on the main problem with is gang related shootings... |
I'd like to know where you got your data. The FBI says that there are over twice as many shooting fatalities due to arguments than gangland and juvenile gang shooting deaths combined, in every firearm category.| The best way to prevent these types of crimes... |
The best way to prevent fatal shootings at the end of non-gang-related arguments is to make sure the participants don't have guns.| ...and more profiling of gang members for stop and search. |
Has that ever worked? Or do the police just wind up assuming that non-white people are gang members and stop-and-search them way out of proportion to their criminal activity (as happened in New York City)? |
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On fire for Christ
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Norway
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Posted - 01/10/2016 : 23:29:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by On fire for Christ
So gun control would seem to have little affect on the main problem with is gang related shootings... |
I'd like to know where you got your data. The FBI says that there are over twice as many shooting fatalities due to arguments than gangland and juvenile gang shooting deaths combined, in every firearm category.| The best way to prevent these types of crimes... |
The best way to prevent fatal shootings at the end of non-gang-related arguments is to make sure the participants don't have guns.| ...and more profiling of gang members for stop and search. |
Has that ever worked? Or do the police just wind up assuming that non-white people are gang members and stop-and-search them way out of proportion to their criminal activity (as happened in New York City)?
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So you're saying more people die in mass shootings than in gang incidents?
I'm not saying profile non-white people. I'm saying this:
It's reasonable to search more people who looks like a gang members than people who don't look like gang members.
Do you disagree with that? We can assume the police are intelligent enough to know what gang members look like. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 01/11/2016 : 17:57:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
So you're saying more people die in mass shootings than in gang incidents? |
No, I'm saying that the FBI says that gang-related fatal shooting are a smallish percentage of all fatal shootings, and so gang-related fatal shootings are not, as you claimed, "the main problem." In fact, if the gangs in 2014 had all decided to lay down arms, it would have prevented a mere 8.2% of all firearm homicides that year.I'm not saying profile non-white people. I'm saying this:
It's reasonable to search more people who looks like a gang members than people who don't look like gang members. |
I know you said that. I asked you if it had ever worked in practice. Why don't you answer that question?| Do you disagree with that? We can assume the police are intelligent enough to know what gang members look like. |
The evidence of which I'm aware suggests that police are just as racially biased as everyone else regardless of intelligence, and instead of profiling gang members or criminals, they wind up profiling brown people, despite white people carrying (on average) more drugs and/or illegal weapons. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/24/2016 : 19:53:20 [Permalink]
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I'm sure that all four of these men were "law-abiding gun owners" until the "pushing and shoving" started over a $25 fee.
Does anyone think this level of bloodshed would have been the end result of an argument in a knife shop?
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
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Posted - 01/25/2016 : 15:42:09 [Permalink]
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MOAR GUNZ!!!
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 01/25/2016 : 20:32:30 [Permalink]
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| Oh, and this guy was a "law-abiding gun owner" right up to the moment the gun went off. Only 20 states in the U.S. have restrictions on possessing a firearm while intoxicated, and Washington isn't one of them. |
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 01/25/2016 : 21:47:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
It's reasonable to search more people who looks like a gang members than people who don't look like gang members.
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what is looks like? Hope it includes well armed bearded white men dressed in camo. I find myself more concerned with those gangs even though I share so much in common with them. Appearance wise |
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