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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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 Posted - 07/01/2003 : 14:19:56
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Creation88 wrote:
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5. And then theres the fact that, a Neanderthal, has the exact scull of a person with Downs Syndrome. It's really gonna be a shock when a coupl hundred years from now, they think they found a Neanderthal scull, then they do some DNA testing and it's just some poor kid with down syndrome from our generation. Boy will that be a slap in the face.
Again, I'm curious where you get your information from. What source do you have for this, and what is his/her/its credentials?
It doesn't take much digging on the internet to find these things.
Have a look at this:
(I forgot to mail the link from work, but it should be an easy find if you care to use google)
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Contact: Dr William Goodwin
w.goodwin@formed.gla.ac.uk
44-141-330-4574
University of Glasgow
Neanderthal infant yields DNA evidence
Modern forensic DNA techniques normally used to determine the identity of modern humans have been applied to a Neanderthal infant. This is only the second time molecular analysis of a Neanderthal has been possible and the first molecular analysis undertaken on a specimen that has been radio-carbon dated and shown to be alive at the same time as modern humans.
The results show that modern man was not in fact descended from Neanderthals, supporting the out-of-Africa model of modern human evolution where modern humans emerged from Africa around 100,000 ago replacing archaic predecessors such as the Neanderthals.
A short summary of the whole article: The carbondating say that this infant Neanderthal is ~30'000 years old, from "the end" of the Neanderthal era, and that the result of the DNA testing is that closest common relative lived 500'000 years ago. That's when the branching of the spieces took place.
Creation88, you seem a bit overconfident when you write things like:
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Boy will that be a slap in the face.
I can understand how layman can come up with the idea that a Neanderthal's skeleton looks like a Man with Down's Syndrome, especially if that idea would support his view of the world. It would probably take a degree in anatomy to determine which skeleton is which.
This research quoted above clearly proves that Neanderthal is not a "Man with Down's Syndrome". Creation88, I would like to know what conclusions you draw from this post.
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/01/2003 : 15:15:51 [Permalink]
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It would probably take a degree in anatomy to determine which skeleton is which.
Sadly it doesn't even take this. There is plenty of information available on the human skeleton and the effects of disease on it. All it takes is diligence, hard work, and allot of reading. A great place to start for those already with a basic understanding of anatomy and who wish to know more about the human skeleton is Human Osteology by White, T.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0127466126/qid=1057097264/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/002-6535629-9189652
This book is probably one of the best available on the human skeleton, but there are others including ones specializing in diseases and their effects:
For a few more:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/002-6535629-9189652
Basically 3 kinds of people can look at Neandertal skeletons and come to the conclusion that they are modern humans suffering from disease:
1. Those who have never studied the matter, but make the claims nonetheless to verify their world view.
2. Those who have examined the matter, but intentionally lie about it again to verify their world view.
3. Those who have been tricked into believing someone (either a #1 or #2) that this is the case.
The idea that Neandertals were humans suffering from some disease (rickets) has been invalidated since the 19th century. |
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Phobos
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