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lapcus
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 Posted - 11/01/2004 : 18:26:02 [Permalink]
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Hello all
I am back, Ive been away helping a friend with an independent film.
here we go again....i will reply to post one-point-at-a-time (ohh this is gonna be a long post)
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beskeptigal- I can't read all that Lapcus, too hard to find the point amid all that rambling.
Lapcus- Thats my point exactly.....you've allready made up your mind from the beginning. Tell me this...when does skepticsim turn into ignorance....or just out right defiance??
beskeptigal- For me, and I think most of the rest of the skeptics on the board, we've seen this scam many times. We've seen the sad persons whining on the news about how they were scammed. And, we've been amazed at how yet another person fails to learn from other's mistakes.
Lapcus- you've seen Pure Investor many times?? You've seen people scammed by Pure Investor many times?? Where?? Show me these people..and why havent they voiced themselves? Ive looked and looked hard for people who might have lost thier money in PIPS but ive found none. With over 150,000 memebers across 72 countires...."somebody" would speak up if people were losing money. So I guess your "skepitc mind" would now conclued: "the reason all of those who lost money from PIPS are not voicing it is because....ummm...PIPS is erasing all of there complaints...or killing them....any thing but admitting that this program is legit....something must have happend to those thousands who are getting scammed".....
beskeptigal- To think we are judging based only on the descriptions presented here without any additional experience is stupid.
Lapcus- one need only look at the previous post by the so called "expert skeptics" to see that you and alot of you are.
beskeptigal- But why you've become so defensive as to write pages, now that's odd.
Lapcus- Im not going to repeat why I am here again....you just have to read up on it...
beskeptigal- I have no clue what that's about.
Lapcus- WOW!!! I rest my case.... What you just said basicly sums up the spirit of those who have posted negative statments about PIPS.
beskeptigal- As to earning millions without working hard, lots of people do that. You could win the lottery, inherit wealth, invent something or become famous in movies or sports, though the last three usually work very hard to get there, sometimes they get lucky. You could have bought a whole lot of Microsoft stock in the 70s or whenever it was that company started.
Lapcus- Ohh so you admit...it CAN be done....I think you are starting to come around.
beskeptigal- The scam being used here is probably making the sponsors lots of money. And I doubt they are working hard. But the investors aren't going to make money. And I am not guessing, I know from paying attention to the world as it goes by me.
Lapcus- see what you have said?? ...ill qoute your last statment..."beskeptigal- To think we are judging based only on the descriptions presented here without any additional experience is stupid." ...and...."beskeptigal- I have no clue what that's about."
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beskeptigal- My statement about seeing this scam before goes beyond Ponzi schemes. Frank ripoffs have similar characteristics. Foreign country, too good to be true claim, bank requires fee to release funds...That last one alone tells me it's a scam. I've traveled quite a bit. Banks function the same from country to country. That claim about the bank is just plain false.
Lapcus- "your" statement is unfounded and based opon ingnorance....again...ill qoute you ."beskeptigal- To think we are judging based only on the descriptions presented here without any additional experience is stupid." ...and...."beskeptigal- I have no clue what that's about."
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Gorgo- Lapcus, have you done the math on this? Do you see how quickly at 2 percent a day this company would be paying out more money than there is in the world?
Lapcus- I know the awnser to that but im not going to share..for the awnser is out there...and pretty easy to find if you would just look.
"hint- there is something that you are not considering that most PIPS members know"
Gorgo- There are fees that my friend has paid for the money she's received. I don't know how much. There were Fed Ex charges to get the first check from Malaysia, then a charge to set up a 'PayPal' type account, then there was some charge because there was a problem, and the money had to go through some bank in Canada, so she didn't get every penny of the money that I've stated so far. How much, I don't know, but probably over $100 in fees.... (extended point)...Let me put it in writing again. Somebody check my math. $100,000 earning 2% a day for 1825 days - 5 years - is 467,210,882,711,122,000,000.00.
The estimated (at cia.gov) gross world product for 2003 was $51.48 trillion. That's 51,480,000,000,000.
That's approximately 9,075,580.472 times the estimated gross world product for 2003.
Now, according to the charts at the PIP websites, it appears that one actually pays more in fees than one invests, so if they figure 2% a day based on that, it's at least misleading to say that you earn 2% a day on your investment.
Lapcus- you are getting closer..but not there yet.
Gorgo- She's expecting another check for over a grand.
Lapcus- tell your friend congrats and its only going to get better.
Gorgo- I wonder how long it will last. Like I said before, they're talking about a five year plan. If so, they may be bringingin in a lot of people on the lower rungs, so if this Bryan Marsden is really greedy, it could last a while.
Lapcus- Bryan must be really really greedy...being that this company is over 10 years old and "this 2% program being over 18 months old"
All the while giving hundereds of thousands to charities. Ahh yes...its a scam that helps out the needy too. WOW!!!
Gorgo- People are pulling their money out, so it will last as long as there are more people putting money in. If you knew for sure that this was a pyramid scheme, Lapcus and Happy, would you do it knowing that if you make money, you're only making it at the expense of others who think they're going to make money?
Lapcus- what a load of ignorant bulls**t 1. read up on what a pyramid is. 2. If this was a ponzi then it would have fell threw a long time ago. They are paying out about a million dollars a day, honoring withdrawals.
Gorgo- Voting for Kerry vs Bush=lesser of two evils.
Knock over liquour store vs join pyramid scheme= lesser of two evils
Gives me something else to do on election day.
Lapcus- ahh..now i understand the "mind" that im dealing with here. I think that there is a gathering of like minded people.
Gorgo- This tells you why this thing is still (evidently) paying out. People are putting a lot of money in this, while the early "investors" are taking it out. My friend has doubled her money since February, and is talking about quitting her job. If people are putting in tens of thousands of dollars, she may make a lot of money before it shuts down.
Lapcus- something tells me that you "want" it to shut down. That you are one of those people that hate it when other people suceed and wish them ill....(sorry the ignorance in me is comming out)
Gorgo- I don't know if there is a way to research it, but this Bryan Marsden is supposedly an engineer and was the CEO of an engineering company. If so, I wonder how long he worked on the details of this scheme.
Lapcus- to sum it all up it seems you are judging PIPS based on other programs in the past..not from evidence that reflects negative on this company (PIPS!!...not other companies)....is that really fair??...think about it...
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MP1989
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Posted - 11/01/2004 : 19:50:36 [Permalink]
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| Thanks for all of the input; especially the math. That alone smells of rats. This thing will definitely collapse. Marsen is smart enough to devise this, then is also smart enough to know when it will fall. Convicing my father-in-law is another thing. About the $1200 he is pulling out, he has no income and plans on pulling out eventually (3 months or so) an amount every 2 weeks and has shown me a "projected" spread-sheet that he has made showing lucid amounts by then in 6 figures by Feb 2006. (He says that he will be drawing checks every 2 weeks like that by then) He also says he will make somewhere near 12 million in 2007. He is a fool!!!! |
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buckyball
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Posted - 11/01/2004 : 20:12:35 [Permalink]
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....... what is this?!?!?!....some kind of private board....odd..
Uhm, no. You just need to click on the link that says "Register a new account".
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/01/2004 : 20:29:19 [Permalink]
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filthy- The market is a bit weird and frankly, I can't claim to understand it. So, my investment account is in the hands of someone who does. For this service, I pay him a commission. I do not bitch about Kevin's commission because I am averaging some 15% on the investment. It's been as low as 8% (thank you Mr. Bush) and as high as 22% (all too rarely, but better days are a'comin'). All of the dividends go back in to the account principal. A little ways down the road, and that's going to be a nice bit of change.
Lapcus- your investment account is in ways similar to PIPS and in other ways its not.
filthy- I'd be a fool indeed, to upset this deal in order to try some off-shore business that I've heard nothing about until the other day. I know, I know. You're not trying recruit.
Lapcus- Im not saying put your life savings into PIPS...or even anything at all. ...the mininum investment is $425 (after fee around $450-$472) If you are interested just put the minium in it..and in about 6 months take what you put in out..and let the rest roll on. I had put $7700 into it at the beginning....but thats me.. not you. $425 isnt much...I piss that away in a week.
filthy- Do they send out a written prospectus (I think that's the word I'm looking for)? And is the corporate malfeasance law really a death penality? That might be a good law to have here.
Lapcus- Well in Malyasia the population is almost entirely muslim. And their laws reflect that. (can you imagine Enron or Martha facing such a punishment?) This country is too libreal to go by those standards...it seems in the USA the laws are made to protect the predators and hurt those who dont break the law.
Filthy- In any event, until I see something a lot more substantial than what has been presented thus far, I must remain highly skeptical.
Lapcus- So was I....so was I...
Filthy- Not at all. But it behooves us, thee and me and we, to be sure and add some supporting evidence to the claim. Ancedotes ain't evidence.
I find it a bit odd that exactly no personal info is in the profiles of our investor friends. It's not required, of course, nor should it be, but it would be nice to have a little background.
Lapcus- email me and i will send you some facts about this company....what you do with it is beyond me.
Filthy- Planning to drop 12 grand, is he? That tells me that the bait has been taken -- small dollars paid out -- and it is coming up to the time to hook bigger fish.
Lapcus- that is almost double what i put into it. as for paying out a few "small" dollars...here is a qoute from the CEO: "The largest amount in a single withdrawal was just over $41,000, we regularly have withdrawals of $10,000, $15,000 and now $20,000 every week." Your definition of "small" apparently is not my definition of "small"
Filthy- This one is a classic! Tell your father-in-law to demand a prospectus before he gives them another, damned dime.
Lapcus- And if they do what will that change? Im sure people did this with Enron and was still scammed.
Filthy- If such is not forthcoming, get him out of it somehow because it won't be long before he'll be informed of a need to protect his investment by adding yet more cash to it.
Lapcus- As far as i know PIPS has never ever done that. But you say that they have as if you have some inside info...please share this info with us...I want to know more about this.
Filthy- Or perhaps told of an oportunity the company has found that, if they only had more assets, they could make a killing for the investors.
Lapcus- is this more speculation or facts?...sometimes i get confused with you skeptics....
Filthy- I dunno, Val.
Lapcus- WOW...now this is a surprise!!!...well..not really. If you dont know then why do you say the things you do. I want to see where you get *your* information ..in order to make such bold statments...
Filthy- This originates in a country that probably has less stringent laws governing this sort of thing, and there are a lot of people it can reach world-wide via the 'net.
Lapcus- again you dont know what you are talking about...the laws in that country make america's laws look like a kidnegarden class. They are very very strict in that country.
Filthy- I have a nasty feeling that it could continue for as long as there is someone out there looking for easy money. It certainly seems to be well and carefully run. But then, the best grifts always are.
Lapcus- ohh now you have "feelings"....are you a psychic now? I "feel" that alot of the "bold" statments from people in here come from just "feelings" as well....you are not alone...
Very good. Seldom have I seen such manuvering.
You've made some claims. Now you need some evidence to back them up. And as I said before, ancedotes won't cut it.
I'd like to see a prospectus.
I'd like to see the laws and statutes covering investment in the country.
I'd like to know the company's history and the identities of it's officers.
And no, I won't e-mail you. Any conversation we have will be public.
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Posted - 11/01/2004 : 20:35:15 [Permalink]
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/01/2004 : 21:41:18 [Permalink]
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Lapcus- yes it errks me that people say bad things about something that they know nothing about. There is a qoute that fits this best: "The highest form of ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about". What errks me the most is not the fact that *you* reject it...its the fact that you and others have tried to tell "others" to reject it...to try to "spread" your "tainted/jaded" way of thinking around to infect others with your way of thinking.
I don't think anyone here has told anyone else to reject PIPS, just to be extremely wary of it. If you understand the difference, you'll admit to your hyperbole. If you don't see a difference, then you'll admit to your own prejudice.quote:
Dave W.- Nice to see that I'm not in your examples. You'll note, perhaps, that I've asked you (and another PIPS defender) several questions in this thread, and received no substantive answers (except to the butt-wiping joke). And folks like Ricky and H. Humbert are, apparently, less than impressed with what you sent them via email.
Lapcus- acutualy you are one of the more "sane" people in this forum and acutaly have put thought into what you have said. I commend you.
Ricky has admitted in an email he sent me that he has not (and refuse to) read all that I have sent him. So i appealed to his laziness and pulled somethings out for him to read just recently. As far as H. Humbert I doubt that he ever truly read anything. He had his mind made up before i even came to this forum and there is nothing that can change that. He has closed his mind to it and only wanted info so he could use it to riducle me. As you can see in the last post that i pointed out.
And still, you have failed to answer any of the questions I had asked about PIPS. Flattery, in this case, wins you no points whatsoever.quote:
Lapcus- Dave I commend you and respect you....Im sure others have seen threw this mans stupidity ..but you are the one who actualy had the guts to actualy speak out about it. Im glad to see that not all skepitcs are closed minded.
Unfortunately, I did not - nor do I - accuse H. Humbert of "stupidity," only of making a single rash conclusion. In all honesty, I share the idealism that led to his comment to some extent, in that I feel that people shouldn't jump at things like PIPS as many seem to have done.
But I'm also aware of something which H. Humbert may not have examined. According to the SFN's Active Topics page, the currently-active thread with the most posts is this one with 247 posts and 2,386 views at this point in time. By contrast, this PIPS thread has only 155 posts (at least 156 after I post this), but a whopping 4,786 views! Why the discrepancy? Because this thread has been linked to from at least one forum devoted to PIPS, and is also getting lots of exposure from search engines (see, for example, Skeptic Summary #12).
With this data in hand, it should be pretty obvious that there's a lot of interest in PIPS, and much of it comes from people who are already in it. Thus, accusations of sock puppetry should be reserved until truly solid evidence comes in.
That's it. I've got little interest in appearing to be a defender of you or of PIPS. Instead, what I defend is critical thought in all matters, including who is posting as whom on this message board.quote:
Lapcus- please read what i have said to Gargo above.
You said a lot of things to Gorgo. Care to narrow it down?quote:
..but because you seen to be a thinker I'll explain it if you would email me. On one condition...dont post it in the forum and dont share it with anyone.
You've got to be kidding me. Given what I just said above, you know for a fact that I am not trustworthy with whatever secret it is that you've got to tell me.quote:
I love watching this people make ingnorant statments about such things. A part of me wants to keep this fires of ingnorance hot and burning. I mean...being retired at age 25...I get bored sometimes...i need something to do...hahhaha
Well, if saying "you're wrong because I've got a secret" gets your rocks off, I suggest you take it somewhere else. It's not becoming of a 25-year-old, though I remember such games being quite popular in grade school. You know, games like "let's go on a picnic" or that thing with "I take these sticks from you crossed, and I give them to you... uh... uncrossed?"
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Lapcus- from the CEO himself :" Currently paying approx $1 Million a day - IN REAL CASH!" ..and ..."PIPS Net worth (excluding member deposits) is currently growing at 17% per month. "
Hmm... At 2% per day, net worth would need to increase at 81% per month, minimum, to keep up, no? 17% per month is somewhat less than 0.53% per day. Is that part of this secret you wished to share with me?
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 11/01/2004 : 22:02:03 [Permalink]
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Can you back it up with proof that im a liar.....no...you cannot...so who is "really" the liar?
You stated near the beginning of this thread that you would provide anyone who emailed you with the methods with which PIPS earns its money. You didn't, and instead provided only promotional material clearly designed to "hook" new investors. In fact, to my knowledge, you've still not provided that information to anyone who posts here. Yes, in my book that makes you a liar.
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How long can a ponzi scam (as you call it) of this magnitude last?..paying out around 1 million a day?.....thats a question for you....?
Well, first of all I would need to know much and how many people are paying in. I'd also need proof that PIPS is actually paying the money out and not simply claiming to, say in the form of "earning statements" which last I checked have no cash value.
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H. Humbert- Ok, I have a question. If at some point in the future it becomes known that PIPS was a scam and your "profits" turn out to be other people's stolen money, what do you plan to do about it? Give it back? Or since they took a chance based on a "gut feeling," (or perhaps even on the direct assurance from you that this setup is legitimate), do you keep their money on the basis that there was always a risk?
Lapcus- you know...i have to give credit were it is due...that was actualy a intelegent and good question....and a question to which i must awnser..."i dont know"..what would you do....just asking...? You think that PIPS is a scam...i do not...so we are both veiwing this question from two different angles...
Well, first of all I would never be in your position, as I would know where the money is coming from beforehand due to my demands for transparency. Indeed, I find the fact that you haven't yet considered what actions you would take in this possible (likely?) scenario not only shocking but shameful.
If somehow, someday I find myself having benefitted monetarily at the expense of others, I would return the money. Especially so if I were complicit in their defrauding, as (if this turns out to be a scam) you will have undoubtably been.
And I never said I think with my nut, I said I was willing to wager it. It's was a colloquialism apparently unfamilar to you. I'll stick to more basic language in the future, as you seem easily confounded.
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lapcus
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 01:20:55 [Permalink]
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Once more unto the breach dear friends....(well at least until i wake up tommorow)
MP1989- Thanks for all of the input; especially the math. That alone smells of rats. This thing will definitely collapse. Marsen is smart enough to devise this, then is also smart enough to know when it will fall. Convicing my father-in-law is another thing. About the $1200 he is pulling out, he has no income and plans on pulling out eventually (3 months or so) an amount every 2 weeks and has shown me a "projected" spread-sheet that he has made showing lucid amounts by then in 6 figures by Feb 2006. (He says that he will be drawing checks every 2 weeks like that by then) He also says he will make somewhere near 12 million in 2007. He is a fool!!!!
Lapcus- we shall see...only time will tell..but my guess...is that 20 years from now people will still holler "scam"
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buckyball- Uhm, no. You just need to click on the link that says "Register a new account".
Lapcus- You have to register a new account before you can even look at what is posted......sigh....
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filthy- Very good. Seldom have I seen such manuvering.
Lapcus- manuvering??? I noticed you didnt even touch what i said about your "spectulations, feelings, and predictions" ...which are totaly unfounded....now who is "manuvering"? Instead of tackling the issues I brought to you...you decide to argue a mute point in order to sqirm out of your own words....but i wont let you...
Lets talk about some of the statements you've made.
1. filthy- If such is not forthcoming, get him out of it somehow because it won't be long before he'll be informed of a need to protect his investment by adding yet more cash to it.
filthy- Or perhaps told of an oportunity the company has found that, if they only had more assets, they could make a killing for the investors.
filthy- I have a nasty feeling that it could continue for as long as there is someone out there looking for easy money. It certainly seems to be well and carefully run. But then, the best grifts always are.
Lets talk about these rather qurky statments shall we?........tackle these head on...
filthy- You've made some claims. Now you need some evidence to back them up. And as I said before, ancedotes won't cut it.
Lapcus- and apparently you havent bothered to call me out on these "claims" that i have made by posting it....ive read the section that you posted over and over...I've "claimed" to have put money into it...I've "claimed" to have taken money out of it. The rest ,as I have clearly put, are qoutes....as far as evidence.....well..email me...look at the staff with the snake on it..and email me....
filthy- I'd like to see a prospectus.
Lapcus- apparently you know how to post..but not how to read....ive posted my reply to that in the last post...adressing you actualy...
Since i know you wont take the time to read what you are qouteing from me...ill repost it "Lapcus- And if they do what will that change? Im sure people did this with Enron and was still scammed."
prospectus means diddly squat.....
filthy- I'd like to see the laws and statutes covering investment in the country.
Lapcus- again i will nail you to your own words...."Filthy- This originates in a country that probably has less stringent laws governing this sort of thing, and there are a lot of people it can reach world-wide via the 'net. "
Apparently you know already...since you have made such a qoute.
filthy- I'd like to know the company's history and the identities of it's officers.
Lapcus- the companies history is in an email ready to send you...if you would just stop being lazy and defiant and email me. As far as the workers...I know the names of a few..but what does that prove?
filthy- And no, I won't e-mail you. Any conversation we have will be public.
Lapcus- ewwwww ....you make it sound as if im some kind of pervert that wants to talk to you in "secret" and discuess "private" things....dude...im just seeing if you will actualy "look at the staff" or not...basic human nature..and now that i have tripped over your ego...i guess you wont email me....so the only other choice would be for me to say this "you are absolutly right..its a scam..ponzi, pyramid, gift system, dog house, navel intellegence commitee ..or what ever else you want to call it....accept it and move on with your life......next....
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Dude- Just don't forget to send me my $1000 in April.
Lapcus- Like i said.....you will either hear my public confession on this board or you will get your grand....
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Dave W.- I don't think anyone here has told anyone else to reject PIPS, just to be extremely wary of it. If you understand the difference, you'll admit to your hyperbole. If you don't see a difference, then you'll admit to your own prejudice.
Lapcus- GAAAHHH!!!!... please dont make me drag up previous post and show you and the whole forum...dont play stupid....If you still object then I will pull up as many of these post as i can and show you. So dont even post such a lilly white lie and try to make the skeptics of this room appear like "little innocent people"....
Dave W.- And still, you have failed to answer any of the questions I had asked about PIPS.
Lapcus- i havent really awnsered anyones qustions in the open forum....just argued...ive awnsered questions via email...if you were one of the ones that emailed me...then I have sent you facts....and thats what I said i would do....i never said that i would attempt to convince you.....just send you the facts...if you dont accept the facts i sent you...then thats your problem...not mine....
Dave W.- Flattery, in this case, wins you no points whatsoever.
Lapcus- Flattery?!?!??....I just give credit were credit is due..example....look at the previous post with Humbert....although i think he is full O s**t ..i still gave him credit where it was due...observe...
"H. Humbert- Ok, I have a question. If at some point in the future it becomes known that PIPS was a scam and your "profits" turn out to be other people's stolen money, what do you plan to do about it? Give it back? Or since they took a chance based on a "gut feeling," (or perhaps even on the direct assurance from you that this setup is legitimate), do you keep their money on the basis that there was always a risk?
Lapcus- you know...i have to give credit were it is due...that was actualy a intelegent and good question....and a question to which i must awnser..."i dont know"..what would you do....just asking...? You think that PIPS is a scam...i do not...so we are both veiwing this question from two different angles..."
You obviously missunderstood me if you thought i was landing you a complement for the sake of "buttering you up"....lol
Dave W.- Unfortunately, I did not - nor do I - accuse H. Humbert of "stupidity," only of making a single rash conclusion.
Lapcus- Fortunately "I do" accuse him of not only making a single rash conclusion.....all the post he has made on this forum are a string of one "rash conclusion" right after another.....he is an "artist"
Dave W.- In all honesty, I share the idealism that led to his comment to some extent, in that I feel that people shouldn't jump at things like PIPS as many seem to have done.
Lapcus- I cant speak for other PIPS members...but I personaly didnt "jump" at it when it was presented to me...i looked into it intently...
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Originally posted by lapcus
Once more unto the breach dear friends....(well at least until i wake up tommorow)
Lapcus- ugggg!!!..do you even read the nonsense that you post??....WHO WOULD YOU RETURN THE MONEY TOO??.. Again you show your ignorance of this system....in this system everyone recieve interest on what funds they have in thier account...wheather they withdraw what they can or not depends opon the person....so if this is a scam..and if it indeed will fall...then EVERYONE .."that is every member in this system" will lose out. You are likening this to a pyramid MLM scheme were I have a downline that is working for me and making money for me...this is not the case....even though some people have more money to put in than others...WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME LEVEL....no one is getting paid more than 2% no matter how long they have been in this program or how many people they sponsor....NO ONE!!!
I think the parallel to a pyramid scheme is that peoples think that it only "works" as long as the rate of invested money is increasing.
Lapcus, can you please format your posts. It is very difficult to follow the debate as your posts are tiresome read.
If you use quotes and the spell check feature it will be much easier to read your posts.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 03:17:33 [Permalink]
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Lapcus, I think you know that no one is going to read your entire posts. If that's okay with you, fine, but I wonder if you might rather sum up your ideas and address the whole crowd, if not, that's fine, I read what was addressed to me. I think it's great that you're happy with what you're doing. Go for it, I wish you will. As far as the comments below, that was a joke, and I think you're probably nicer than what your response made you sound like.
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Gorgo- Voting for Kerry vs Bush=lesser of two evils.
Knock over liquour store vs join pyramid scheme= lesser of two evils
Gives me something else to do on election day.
Lapcus- ahh..now i understand the "mind" that im dealing with here. I think that there is a gathering of like minded people.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 03:58:25 [Permalink]
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filthy- Very good. Seldom have I seen such manuvering.
Lapcus- manuvering??? I noticed you didnt even touch what i said about your "spectulations, feelings, and predictions" ...which are totaly unfounded....now who is "manuvering"? Instead of tackling the issues I brought to you...you decide to argue a mute point in order to sqirm out of your own words....but i wont let you...
Lets talk about some of the statements you've made.
1. filthy- If such is not forthcoming, get him out of it somehow because it won't be long before he'll be informed of a need to protect his investment by adding yet more cash to it.
filthy- Or perhaps told of an oportunity the company has found that, if they only had more assets, they could make a killing for the investors.
filthy- I have a nasty feeling that it could continue for as long as there is someone out there looking for easy money. It certainly seems to be well and carefully run. But then, the best grifts always are.
Lets talk about these rather qurky statments shall we?........tackle these head on...
filthy- You've made some claims. Now you need some evidence to back them up. And as I said before, ancedotes won't cut it.
Lapcus- and apparently you havent bothered to call me out on these "claims" that i have made by posting it....ive read the section that you posted over and over...I've "claimed" to have put money into it...I've "claimed" to have taken money out of it. The rest ,as I have clearly put, are qoutes....as far as evidence.....well..email me...look at the staff with the snake on it..and email me....
filthy- I'd like to see a prospectus.
Lapcus- apparently you know how to post..but not how to read....ive posted my reply to that in the last post...adressing you actualy...
Since i know you wont take the time to read what you are qouteing from me...ill repost it "Lapcus- And if they do what will that change? Im sure people did this with Enron and was still scammed."
prospectus means diddly squat.....
filthy- I'd like to see the laws and statutes covering investment in the country.
Lapcus- again i will nail you to your own words...."Filthy- This originates in a country that probably has less stringent laws governing this sort of thing, and there are a lot of people it can reach world-wide via the 'net. "
Apparently you know already...since you have made such a qoute.
filthy- I'd like to know the company's history and the identities of it's officers.
Lapcus- the companies history is in an email ready to send you...if you would just stop being lazy and defiant and email me. As far as the workers...I know the names of a few..but what does that prove?
filthy- And no, I won't e-mail you. Any conversation we have will be public.
Lapcus- ewwwww ....you make it sound as if im some kind of pervert that wants to talk to you in "secret" and discuess "private" things....dude...im just seeing if you will actualy "look at the staff" or not...basic human nature..and now that i have tripped over your ego...i guess you wont email me....so the only other choice would be for me to say this "you are absolutly right..its a scam..ponzi, pyramid, gift system, dog house, navel intellegence commitee ..or what ever else you want to call it....accept it and move on with your life......next....
You insist on doing things by private e-mail. Why is that? I'm not a very a quick study, but I can still learn from the experiences of others.
Ricky:
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What?? What?????
I emailed you a very specific list of questions. You emailed me back 40 pages of crap. I emailed you back saying that I was not going to read through 40 pages of advertisements and that I would like you to answer my specific questions. You emailed me back with just quotes from the first email, still not answering my questions.
Answers my ass.
I am beginning to wonder if you are not involved in this as a bit more than merely an investor. Is this some sort of variation on an Amway deal?
I make the accusations because I've seen similiar in the past. I expect to see yet more in the future. If you want to convince anyone, put forth the prospectus, governing regulations, history, and list of officers, or failing that, tell us where we can find them for ourselves.
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lapcus
New Member
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 04:57:35 [Permalink]
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this cant wait till morning i have to awnser this now....
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Ricky- What?? What?????
I emailed you a very specific list of questions. You emailed me back 40 pages of crap.
Lapcus- who said that i was refering to you in that statment???..you act as if *you* were the only person that emailed me...sigh. Again "how do you know it was crap?" when you yourself said you did not read it?? I recently emailed you today...with names of 11 companies....i guess that is crap too....i gave you facts and you have rejected it....thats your problem..not mine...
Ricky- I emailed you back saying that I was not going to read through 40 pages of advertisements and that I would like you to answer my specific questions.
Lapcus- lets review your "specific" questions shall we...and awnser them right here. " this is from the email you have sent me"
Ricky- "First, where does this money come from?
Lapcus- If you would have read threw the 40 pages of "junk" you would have know that awnser...but since you must be spoon fed...ill do it for you.... the awnser to that question is in this link
http://forum.pipsinc.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18978
Ricky- You said it was an investment, so what exactly is it invested in?
Lapcus- again Ive awnsered that in the 40 pages of crap...
"PIPS investment strategy is to maximise the investment return, while minimizing risk. To achieve this, They use a tried and tested strategy of investing in leading and diverse markets worldwide such as private equity funds, Bonds, Forex, Derivitives, IPOs, Finance and Property and co-investing in direct investments with selected fund managers.
PIPS profits from thier knowledge in private equity funds worldwide and thier main investment focus is on expansion capital. This sector of the market has consistently produced the best investment returns and according to expert opinion, will continue to provide an excellent volume of high quality deal opportunities. They will also make highly selective commitments to technology opportunities and secondary funds where these have the clear potential for investment out-performance."
The total fund involved (over all portfolio) is not all members money. For every cent actively investment, Pureinvestor also puts in on higher ratio basis. So example if the fund says 40 mil how much of it is members money?. If deducting Pureinvestors portion then technically we have to make less than 2% a day. They are not just relying on Trading i.e bonds,stocks, indexes They also have money in other companies in The pureinvestor group tapping into other resources.
Ricky- How can you garuntee that I will not lose my money?
Lapcus- I can't garuntee...and dont plan on it...there is no garuntees in this world...can you garuntee that you wont die tommorow....that your job will not lay you off...that your money will be in the bank when you goto it? ...it even says on the site that there are risk and no garuntees...i had went over that in the email.... also consider the Disclaimer:
Although PIPS adopt a strict risk management policy, investments can go down as well as up. Our diversification of investments enables us to provide as much security as possible within the investment world. In a major market crash or worldwide economic disaster there is a risk that you could lose your funds. Please bear this in mind and DO NOT invest funds that would cause you financial hardship if lost. PIPS does NOT sell, offer to sell any form of stocks, securities or other financial instruments.
So far this program has peformed well for over 18 months. Just consider all of this before putting anything into this. But of course i dont have to tell you that....
Ricky- In other words, how can I be sure this isn't a scam?
Lapcus- here is some info that was in the 40 pages of junk that you must have over looked...or never looked into at all
Address
Pureinvestor.Com Inc
PT7323 Jalan BBN1/2E
Bandar Baru Nilai
71800 Negeri Sembilan
Malaysia
PIPS is now a group of 11 companies. PIPS Inc., is the holding company with a share in the others.
The 11 Companies in brief are:
1. New Mark Business Centres - PIPS- backend offices.
2. PicPay
3. PicTrust 5YTP
4. Pips Bistro
5. PIPS Foundation
6. PIC Capital
7. PIPS Financial services
8. PIPS Premier Inc
9. PIPS Fashion
10. PIC Realty
11. PIPS Secure
A more detailed description is as follows:
1. New Mark Business Centres- working with debit cards, 5 year trust plan,
movement of funds between PIPS accounts, ATM machines, speedy wallets, and your bank accounts, etc. Many new concepts being streamlined.
PIPS- backend offices, includes all staff and ITS support.
2. PicPay- online gateway, will include e-commerce shopping, many merchant accounts coming. You will be able to buy many things online, and earn points that can be applied directly to units in your PIPS accounts! Now offers debit cards, credit card processing. Presently have already 50,000 members, and growing exponentially.
3. PIC Trust, licensed in New Zealand, where there is 100% anonymity, 0% tax,
and where members of PIPS will be able to set up trusts and IBC's.
Offers 5 Year Trust Plan - pays less than the regular 2%/day PIPS plan, but has some very important features not available to the regular PIPS plan, which include insured funds (The proceeds received are insured and not future proceeds), outstanding death and disability benefits, independent agent benefits, and employer benefits (for employers wishing to make available the plan for all their employees). Cost is $175 plus $25 for 5 years, or $1350 lump sum (which saves you $325 overall). If you die or become disabled before the 5 years are up, they have in place wonderful contingency plans to complete the payments for you or your beneficiaries. For employers, there is a 20K cash back per employee after the 5 years are up. Great incentive for employers to offer this. You must join PIPS before you are eligible to join the 5 year trust plan.
4. PIPS Bistro- will offer tapas, Tex Mex, and local food, fine dining, catering for businesses, lunches and dinners. Will be franchised globally. It will also be an information and merchandising centre, containing stock market info displays, etc. Already have dozens of requests for franchise opportunities all over the world. Opening up first one in Malaysia soon. The 1st PIPS Bistro is situated in Nilai between PIPS office and PIPS Data Centre. Once you have PIPS office address, you can't miss PIPS Bistro!
PT7323, jalan BBN 1/2E
bandar baru nilai
71800 Negeri Sembilan
5. PIPS Foundation - subsidiary of PIC Trust, will handle humanitarian aid
projects. Presently helping Filipino street children who are forced to beg
and are abused physically and sexually, even small children 3-4 years old
6. PIC Capital will be involved with leasing, loans, venture capital, and will be a JV partner with PIPS Premier.
7. PIPS Financial services, registered in Panama, will offer in-house credit card processing, and will have much better control over fraud and theft that has been in the past when dealing with third parties.
8. PIPS Premier Inc.-film and entertainment arm. Special project film productions, animation, DVD's CD's, and merchandising. Worldwide distribution network. First major project already in production- a 65 episode on DVD animated children's bible. Projected return is 1.5 billion from a cost of around 2.8M.
9. PIPS Fashion - fashion design and merchandising, commercial lines in ladies and mens' casuals and formal clothing, and PIPS own exclusive fashions.
10. PIC Realty- will be doing foreclosure markets, commercial and residential property, developmen |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 05:08:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by lapcus
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Originally posted by Starman
Lapcus, can you please format your posts. It is very difficult to follow the debate as your posts are tiresome read.
If you use quotes and the spell check feature it will be much easier to read your posts.
Lapcus- sigh....difficult for you?!?!?!?...im the one who reads EVERYONES POST..then post replys to it...and you think you have it hard??....seeesh...
If you have something to say, you can benefit from making your post more readable.
If you can't be bothered with writing in a readable format, why should I bother to read your posts.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 05:15:36 [Permalink]
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In an attempt to make sure the present band of criminals does not retain office, I voted for John Kerry (a new band of hopefully lesser criminals).
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response made you sound like.
Lapcus- I know...and its ok...ive come to this debate well prepared..and if anyone would try to debunk me...they better have all thier facts strait....but as far as you.....I saw your joke and found it amusing. All and all...its all good...btw..who are you going to vote for ??..if I may ask...
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I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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