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Gorgo
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Posted - 05/18/2005 :  04:19:05  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
I'm "cockahoop" over Galloway's performance. See:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Stor...25,00.html?=rss

This article is quite a bit different from the article at http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITIC...food/index.html

'George Galloway today accused US senators of manufacturing "the mother of all smokescreens" as he defended himself from charges that he profited from Iraqi oil sales.
The anti-war Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, in east London, told the Senate subcommittee it had made a "schoolboy howler" in its investigation of illegal Iraqi oil sales. He said it was attempting to divert attention from the aftermath of the US-led invasion of Iraq.'


View it all at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/ne...153_bb_16x9.asx


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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 05/18/2005 :  06:57:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo

I'm "cockahoop" over Galloway's performance. See:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Stor...25,00.html?=rss

This article is quite a bit different from the article at http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITIC...food/index.html

'George Galloway today accused US senators of manufacturing "the mother of all smokescreens" as he defended himself from charges that he profited from Iraqi oil sales.
The anti-war Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, in east London, told the Senate subcommittee it had made a "schoolboy howler" in its investigation of illegal Iraqi oil sales. He said it was attempting to divert attention from the aftermath of the US-led invasion of Iraq.'


View it all at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/ne...153_bb_16x9.asx





I saw snippets of his opening remarks on Countdown with Keith Olbermann. He speared some senators.

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filthy
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Posted - 05/18/2005 :  07:02:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
I've only read about him a bit but that small study has impressed me. I wonder if we could convince him to immigrate?


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Dik-Dik Van Dik
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Posted - 05/18/2005 :  08:02:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dik-Dik Van Dik a Private Message
personally I hate this guy. He gained his seat in bethnal green purely by ranting to the large muslim population, that was his only election tactic or policy. he's the very definition of a demagogue. This committee was a dream come true for him, as it was obvious to everyone here at least that he would use any amount of publicity to rant away. This happens to be the only time i've actually enjoyed some of his comments, most of the time he's a right annoying wanker.

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Posted - 05/18/2005 :  08:34:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy

I've only read about him a bit but that small study has impressed me. I wonder if we could convince him to immigrate?





Here's the text of the video clips shown.

GEORGE GALLOWAY, ACCUSED IN OIL-FOR-FOOD SCANDAL: Now, I know that standards have slipped over the last few years in Washington, but for a lawyer, you‘re remarkably cavalier with any idea of justice.

You have nothing on me, senator, except my name on lists of names from Iraq, many of which have been drawn up after the installation of your puppet government in Baghdad.

I‘ve met Saddam Hussein exactly the same number of times as Donald Rumsfeld met him. The difference is, Donald Rumsfeld met him to sell him guns and to give him maps the better to target those guns.

Senator, this is the mother of all smokescreens. You are trying to divert attention from the crimes that you supported, from the theft of billions of dollars of Iraq‘s wealth. Have a look at the real oil-for-food scandal. Have a look at the 14 months you were in charge of Baghdad, the first 14 months, when $8.8 billion of Iraq‘s wealth went missing on your watch. Have a look at Halliburton and the other American corporations that stole not only Iraq‘s money but the money of the American taxpayer.

Appears here at about the middle of the page.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7896033/

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Gorgo
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  11:14:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
New link for video:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4553601.stm#

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filthy
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Posted - 05/21/2005 :  02:56:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Here's something interesting:
quote:
Saturday, May 21, 2005; Page A18

IN A SENSE, the showdown between George Galloway, the antiwar British member of Parliament accused of receiving "oil allocations" from former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, and Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.), chairman of the investigations subcommittee that made the accusation, was a classic clash of British and American political cultures. Mr. Galloway did what many British politicians do well: He used fiery rhetoric and clever phrases, calling the committee "a group of Christian fundamentalist and Zionist activists" in advance of his testimony, then accusing Mr. Coleman in the Senate of inventing the "mother of all smokescreens," deliberately designed to "divert attention from the crimes you supported" in Iraq. He denounced the prewar sanctions, the U.S. occupation, President Bush and Halliburton, apparently shocking senators accustomed to significantly higher levels of deference.

What Mr. Galloway failed to do, however, was directly answer the charges made against him in the subcommittee's report, collected and compiled in wonkish, earnest American fashion by Senate staffers and officials working in Iraq, or discredit their work overall. It is true, as Mr. Galloway stated, that documents formerly used to allege his guilt have not held up in court. But the Senate staff did not rely on these or on an infamous Iraqi newspaper article that placed Mr. Galloway's name on a long list of oil allocation recipients. Their documentation comes, rather, from commercial invoices and other documents from the Iraqi oil ministry archives, as well as the testimony of current Iraqi oil company administrators and former regime officials. Much of it centers around the activity of Jordanian businessman Fawaz Zureikat, Mr. Galloway's representative in Baghdad. Mr. Zureikat's name appears in multiple documents as a recipient of oil. He is also recorded as a major donor to a charity run by Mr. Galloway. Mr. Galloway dismissed the idea that any of this might be relevant to his own case.

However it comes out, I still like to see someone with balls address the Senate. Maybe a little of it will rub off on the Democrats.


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Gorgo
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Posted - 05/21/2005 :  04:54:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
"What Mr. Galloway failed to do, however, was directly answer the charges made against him"

That's a "schoolboy howler!" I thought he did that very well! WHERE'S THE MONEY! Where's the evidence? How many times did he say that he was not an oil trader, nor did he have anyone trade oil for him. How many times did he say that he was not a part of any oil deal with Fawaz Zureikat? How did Fawaz Zureikat become his "representative?" How many times did he say that Mariam Appeal was not the direct recipient of any money from Saddam Hussein?

He may have lied, but to say he did not directly address the charges is itself a lie.

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The dog has not been fed in years
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Edited by - Gorgo on 05/21/2005 04:55:35
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bloody_peasant
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Posted - 05/23/2005 :  07:44:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send bloody_peasant a Yahoo! Message Send bloody_peasant a Private Message
A complete transcript of the interview.
http://www.simplyappalling.blogspot.com/#111672042962319554
The only thing we seemed to not answer directly was Levin's weird question if he found if Zureikat's was giving kick-backs to Saddam or not was troubling or not. Although he made his point quite clearly, he never really answered that question. All other questions he answered directly as best he could.
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