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the_ignored
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 Posted - 07/10/2005 : 22:03:31
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Some bad news from the people at New Scientist
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In Turkey there is a strong creationist movement, sparked initially by contact with US creationists. Since 1999, when Turkish professors who taught evolution were harassed and threatened, there is no longer public opposition to creationism, which is all that is presented in school texts. In another Muslim country, Pakistan, evolution is no longer taught in universities.
Fundamentalist Christianity is also sweeping Africa and Latin America. Last year Brazilian scientists protested when Rio de Janeiro's education department started teaching creationism in religious education classes.
The fear among creationism's critics is that a pattern is emerging that will culminate in a new wave of creationist teaching. They are worried that this will undermine science education and science's place in society. "The politicisation of science has increased at all levels," says Miller. "What is happening is a political effort to force a change in the content and nature of science itself."
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
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> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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pleco
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 Posted - 07/11/2005 : 06:26:29 [Permalink]
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| Anyone sense a new Dark Age coming? |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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Siberia
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Brazil
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 06:27:41 [Permalink]
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As far as I know (admittedly, not much), it died before it was born. The protest was effective. Problem is, both the governor and mayor are religious junkies. They'd probably let it slide in, later on.
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"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 08:34:31 [Permalink]
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| There is no escape from Jesusland as, "The world is made for man and man is made to conquer and rule it." a famous gorrilla once said. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 13:45:13 [Permalink]
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| It certainly seems to be the opposite of the 60s and 70s free sex and enlightenment. More than just the US corporate controlled media, the trend seems to be gaining worldwide. That isn't very encouraging especially given the Christianity/Islam growing divide and disdain for each other. |
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Ricky
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 15:54:34 [Permalink]
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| And the EU is actually considering Turkey as a future member state. I was against it before, and even more so now. They're nowhere near ready to join. And now this? Why is this crap spreading all over the world? Can we stop it? Probably not, so at least we should try and keep it out of some areas that can still be saved from this disease. |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
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Siberia
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Brazil
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 16:05:23 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Maverick
And the EU is actually considering Turkey as a future member state. I was against it before, and even more so now. They're nowhere near ready to join. And now this? Why is this crap spreading all over the world? Can we stop it? Probably not, so at least we should try and keep it out of some areas that can still be saved from this disease.
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"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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HYBRID
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 19:32:35 [Permalink]
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| Why are there no alternatives to creation AND evolution? |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 19:58:26 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HYBRID
Why are there no alternatives to creation AND evolution?
Suggest one... |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
Genetic Literacy Project |
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HYBRID
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 20:55:38 [Permalink]
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| Intervention. Many others. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 21:00:56 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HYBRID
Intervention. Many others.
By "invention" I think you mean Intelligent Design. Aliens made us in a laboratory, that sort of thing, right? Except that someone had to "invent" the aliens, so we're back to a supernatural creator again.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 04:40:30 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HYBRID
Why are there no alternatives to creation AND evolution?
Without data to support a creation model, it is not much of an alternative.
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Originally posted by HYBRID
Intervention. Many others.
Is this based upon your personal reality or can you define intervention (that we can agree on) and support it through empirical evidence. |
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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 05:12:13 [Permalink]
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Alternatives? Sure, why not?
The problem arises when evidential support for other than the ToE is sought and none is to be found. Thus, they are all conjectural, and I include 'special creation' in that statement. Conjecture is a good thing, but only if it can gain at least enough support to become an hypothesis.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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HYBRID
BANNED
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 11:55:37 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by H. Humbert
quote:
Originally posted by HYBRID
Intervention. Many others.
By "invention" I think you mean Intelligent Design. Aliens made us in a laboratory, that sort of thing, right? Except that someone had to "invent" the aliens, so we're back to a supernatural creator again.
Please quit generalizing my thoughts, which you have not heard much of. What is supernatural about et's? Nothing. Just 'science' we have yet to discover right?
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