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GM: I do indeed have a theory--and like the government's, it is a conspiracy theory. Really, anyone who believes the events of 9-11-01 could have been pulled off by 1 person would have to be a real crackpot...
But I do have a theory. It's based on many observations--like all good theories. It does not contradict any of the observable facts and it fits with all the observable facts, as far as I can tell--again, like a good theory. What makes it different from the belief of ID is that my theory is testible. All good theories can be tested. My theory, like all good theories, even allows for prediction--and predict it did. And since we all know that all good theories are true, why not admit [okay, now I'm just messing with you; but admit it, your blood pressure just spiked]. Of course it is possible that my theory is wrong. And the government's theory, which is not even that good of a theory could be wrong, too. And since my conspiracy theory is at odds with the official conspiracy theory, they can't both be rigth.
So i'm testing my conspiracy theory and the government's conspiracy theory.
If you are offended by a scientific approach to these conspiracy theories or are afraid of what such an approach will reveal, please just don't participate. |
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/04/2006 : 22:06:56 [Permalink]
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Cunei: It is the government's conspiracy theory--i.e., the theory the government has about the conspiracy (involving the secretive man named Osama Ben Laden, and his secretive organization called al-Qaeda) to attack targets in the USA.
Not that the government was involved in the conspiracy!
Why is it so hard for to understand--that " ' " between "government" and "s" indicates possessive.
And like you said, if our government came out and told of its role in the attacks of 9-11-01 it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory--it would be a confession. |
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HH: Re "So just because what they were doing wasn't science, it doesn't mean their conclusions weren't scientific? Do you care to defend that insane logic?"
It's your insane logic--you defend it. I said "Just because what we know as science and the scientific process are different now than they were before doesn't make what Galileo and his collegues did unscientific." |
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Posted - 10/04/2006 : 22:21:25 [Permalink]
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HH: Re "So just because what they were doing wasn't science, it doesn't mean their conclusions weren't scientific? Do you care to defend that insane logic?"
It's your insane logic--you defend it. I said "Just because what we know as science and the scientific process are different now than they were before doesn't make what Galileo and his collegues did unscientific." |
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 Posted - 10/04/2006 : 22:21:43 [Permalink]
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ergo123 said:
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It is the government's conspiracy theory--i.e., the theory the government has about the conspiracy (involving the secretive man named Osama Ben Laden, and his secretive organization called al-Qaeda) to attack targets in the USA.
So.... in your mind, the guy who sends us video tapes every couple months telling us thet he is going to destroy us.... is a secret?
WTF are you smoking kid?
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Posted - 10/04/2006 : 22:25:31 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by ergo123
Really, anyone who believes the events of 9-11-01 could have been pulled off by 1 person would have to be a real crackpot...
No kidding, because at least three planes were required to damage the Pentagon and both WTC towers.
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/04/2006 : 22:41:08 [Permalink]
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WTF... that's some of that non-emotional language that's used around here, eh?
To answer your question, the administration swears they had no clue what OBL was up to or that he was a potential danger to us. So in their conspiracy theory, yes, OBL was a secret (at least from them). |
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/04/2006 : 22:42:56 [Permalink]
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WTF... that's some of that non-emotional language that's used around here, eh?
To answer your question, the administration swears they had no clue what OBL was up to or that he was a potential danger to us. So in their conspiracy theory, yes, OBL was a secret (at least from them). |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/04/2006 : 22:53:13 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by ergo123
To answer your question, the administration swears they had no clue what OBL was up to or that he was a potential danger to us. So in their conspiracy theory, yes, OBL was a secret (at least from them).
Yes, and so if someone had proposed a scenario like 9-11 prior to it actually happening, such a scenario could have perhaps been called a "conspiracy theory."
Once those events have publically transpired, however, there is no longer a conspiracy. Everyone knows the official story of what happened. It is incorrect to call the "official story" a "conspiracy theory," since a conspiracy theory is a theory which directly contradicts the official story--whatever conspiracies it may include.
No one has any trouble understanding this except you. Nor, as you seem to think, is our reluctance to accept your use of the term simply a failure of comprehension on our part. You're just using shoddy reasoning. It's wrong. You're wrong. You can't argue your way into a degree of correctness on this issue. Calling the official 9-11 report a conspiracy theory is, and will forever remain, simply and utterly wrong.
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 01:35:53 [Permalink]
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ergo123 said:
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To answer your question, the administration swears they had no clue what OBL was up to or that he was a potential danger to us. So in their conspiracy theory, yes, OBL was a secret
To bad for you that the evidence in this matter clearly demonstrates otherwise. I'll refer you to an August 2001 PDB titled "Osama BinLaden Determined To Attack In The US".
And again, your use of "conspiracy theory" to describe the official account of the events of 9/11 is imbecilic, inappropriate, and makes you seem stupid.
Again, your straw man conflation of the official account of events with the phrase "conspiracy theory" is rejected for the fallacious argument it is.
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 03:45:45 [Permalink]
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WTF... that's some of that non-emotional language that's used around here, eh?
To answer your question, the administration swears they had no clue what OBL was up to or that he was a potential danger to us. So in their conspiracy theory, yes, OBL was a secret (at least from them). |
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 04:15:20 [Permalink]
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Thought I'd supply a timely quote from an American essayist:
"It is impossible to withhold education from the receptive mind, as it is impossible to force it upon the unreasoning."
--Agnes Repplier
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 04:15:42 [Permalink]
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You guys are funny. First of all, where does it say that a conspiracy theory is only one that goes against the official theory?
And second of all, since there are 2 incongruent "official" theories (9/11 Commission and NIST), even if your new criterion for qualification as a conspiracy theory is valid, each official theory qualifies the other as a conspiracy theory.
As for the August memo-don't you remember? Condie was clear that it was a historical document with no prescriptive value.
And it's good to hear that since there is an official theory on the JFK assassination no more conspiracy theories exist of that topic.
You know, if you guys put the mental gymnastics and effort you've put into the semantics of the term conspiracy theory into looking beyond what the administration says to what the administration does, we'd be a lot closer to knowing what really happened on 9-11-01.
I have never seen a group of skeptics take so many things at face value! It's as if this was a program named by the administration itself--you know how they name things the exact opposite of what they are or do--like the Clear Skies Initiative, or No Child Left Behind... |
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 04:22:15 [Permalink]
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| I don't think they are unreasoning--I just think they are afraid of what the truth might hold. The seem to make quite an effort reasoning away the reality that is in front of them. |
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 04:26:11 [Permalink]
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| btw--i'm not sure why some of my posts keep repeating themselves. it might be related to the fact that i'm accessing the forum via my phone. |
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