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ergo123
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Originally posted by ergo123
And that's what confuses me. How do you see what NIST uses as inputs to their simulator as anything other than speculation. Show me the data their inputs are based on. Yes we saw fires. But "there were fires" is not an input to the simulator--you need to enter amount of heat, duration of heat, location of heat at a minimum. As there was no evidence available for NIST to use to develop inputs, they had to speculate.
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No one is saying educated guesses weren't made. I'm sure they had a range of temperatures and various other parameters which they examined and compared to observation. The problem is you conflate this rigorous and methodical process to wild guesswork, which is nothing more than a strawman. It's that sort of dishonest misrepresentation on your part that clearly signals your biases.
And I do this by using the word "speculate?" According to American Heritage Dictionary, speculate means "To engage in a course of reasoning often based on inconclusive evidence." How do you get "wild guesswork" out of that?
And you still admit that you buy into a story based on educated guesses. That just doesn't seem rigorous on your part, at all. And you complain that all I've provided is essentially guesswork--yet you accept a story based on guesswork. 
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Because you are the one claiming it is there. I can't show you where it is because it is not there.
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Then write the authors and ask for them.
If they wanted people to have the data they would have published the data in the report...
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Because I am at last uninterested in your questions.
 Sure--now that you have no answers...
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 10/26/2006 : 01:04:42 [Permalink]
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I got a lot of this knowledge from my brother--a mechanical engineer who worked in the steel industry (LTV among other companies) for about 20 years. Some I got from my dad--a structural engineer who has worked on the Minute Man missile, the Saturn V booster, the Huey Cobra and SDI (that's the real star wars, yoda). And I do have some college physics under my belt. Force vectors bending steel--that's my dad's area.
Oh really? And what supporting evidence do you have of any of this
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/26/2006 : 11:31:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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I got a lot of this knowledge from my brother--a mechanical engineer who worked in the steel industry (LTV among other companies) for about 20 years. Some I got from my dad--a structural engineer who has worked on the Minute Man missile, the Saturn V booster, the Huey Cobra and SDI (that's the real star wars, yoda). And I do have some college physics under my belt. Force vectors bending steel--that's my dad's area.
Oh really? And what supporting evidence do you have of any of this
What evidence do you have that I haven't sent you the evidence you claim via private email? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/26/2006 : 12:46:35 [Permalink]
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What evidence do you have that I haven't sent you the evidence you claim via private email?
I just checked my e-mail. My order from Amazon.com has shipped.... Or was that you writing in code? Good idea! They are everywhere and you cannot be too careful.
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No witty quotes. I think for myself.
Y'know, that says a lot. Do you have such a profound intellect that the thoughts and wisdom of others are beneath your notice?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Ricky
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ergo123
BANNED
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Posted - 10/26/2006 : 23:12:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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What evidence do you have that I haven't sent you the evidence you claim via private email?
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I just checked my e-mail. My order from Amazon.com has shipped.... Or was that you writing in code? Good idea! They are everywhere and you cannot be too careful.
Like I said, what evidence do you have that I haven't sent you the evidence you claim via private email?
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No witty quotes. I think for myself.
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Y'know, that says a lot. Do you have such a profound intellect that the thoughts and wisdom of others are beneath your notice?
Not at all. I am inspired by the words of many. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/27/2006 : 01:59:45 [Permalink]
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Like I said, what evidence do you have that I haven't sent you the evidence you claim via private email?
Hmm, nope. Haven't had a PM since Dave and I very briefly discussed the latest Ivory Coast rip-off to show up amongst us. We talked about it in the Water Cooler thread as well.
I wish those guys would figure out a new grift. They are so lacking in originality that they are no longer amusing. Sad really, that some people are so gullible as to fall for just any old unfounded and unsupported sea-story that comes down the pike.
Edited to add: If you are going to do the scumbag-government-conspiricy-thing, why not look into some real ones? There's a lot of them out there....
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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willis1999
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Posted - 02/14/2007 : 14:23:40 [Permalink]
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