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HalfMooner
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The oldest known bee has been found.
Transitional fossils (which lying Creationists like to say don't exist) continue to come in at an accelerating pace. This article from LiveScience provides yet another illustration. This discovery is of a 100 million-year-old amber-caught bee with wasp features, from the very time flowering plants first appeared:
This oldest bee fossil to date was found in an amber specimen from northern Myanmar. Credit: Science
Diagram of the bee fossil with key features labeled. The fossil had several features of modern-day bees and morphological structures including branched hairs that researchers believe are associated with pollen collection. Credit: Science
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The 100 million-year-old fossil was found in a mine in the Hukawng Valley of Myanmar (Burma) and preserved in amber. Amber, which begins as tree sap, often traps insects and plant structures before they fossilize.
"This is the oldest known bee we've ever been able to identify, and it shares some of the features of wasps," said lead author George Poinar, a researcher from Oregon State University. "But overall it's more bee than wasp, and gives us a pretty good idea of when these two types of insects were separating on their evolutionary paths."
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Edited by - HalfMooner on 10/25/2006 20:13:39
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pleco
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 19:24:24 [Permalink]
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| I eagerly await the "scientific" explanation from the dodos. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 19:31:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
I eagerly await the "scientific" explanation from the dodos.
Oh, we all know what they're going to say already. Half will proclaim it's fully wasp, and the other half will proclaim it fully bee.
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pleco
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 19:41:40 [Permalink]
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| Because the only acceptable transitional fossil to them is a half-whale/half-dog. |
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 22:05:05 [Permalink]
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I think the dodos in question will just say bees and wasps are the same. The micro but not macro argument. A joke comes to mind. With every new transitional fossil found, micro evolution is trotted out as the explanation. But eventually the transitions link all the life forms. Voila' it's a continuum of micro evolved animals from single cell to sapien!
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 22:30:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
I think the dodos in question will just say bees and wasps are the same. The micro but not macro argument.
True, they are both "bug" kind.
I wonder if they would consider ants and wasps to be the same kind?
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filthy
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Posted - 10/26/2006 : 01:17:29 [Permalink]
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Isn't evolution remarkable? This animal appears to be equiped with pollon-collecting apparatus just as flowering plants come along. One hand washing the other, eh -- two highly disparate organisms evolving in cooperation.
Not at all uncommon, but remarkable none the less.
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Starman
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/27/2006 : 02:57:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
The bee genome has been sequenced.
Here is an article from Carl Zimmer about bee evolution.
Fascinating article, Starman! Thanks. I was especially interested to discover that bees are much more like humans genetically than most other insects are. The parallels are almost scary. Bee afraid, bee very afraid.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 10/28/2006 : 02:43:12 [Permalink]
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| maybe it was a bee with rickets |
What are you looking at? Haven't you ever seen a pink shirt before?
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filthy
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Posted - 10/28/2006 : 02:59:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Vegeta
maybe it was a bee with rickets
A Neandertaly bee? You's right! This ought'a be investergated! Them evolutionarians is a'lyin' to the righteous again!
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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