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j911ob
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Posted - 05/08/2007 :  07:40:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

Ill take that bet. Please find me the quotes of people who say aliens did it. Proceed.
Here's one:
"After Flight 93 came down in Pennsylvania, they saw a craft buzzing around. Now what was that? All earth air traffic had been grounded. And in the World Trade Centre, where are all the bodies? They were transported out first to be experimented on. Listen to me now, September 11 was all caused by aliens."

It was certainly a fresh view of the events of a year ago but then again the person propagating it was wearing a T-shirt bearing the slogan: "Beam Me Up, Jesus".




No im talking about building 7. That was the specific allegation. Find me a quote that says 7 was brought down by aliens.

"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers.
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j911ob
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Posted - 05/08/2007 :  07:41:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Please be precise davew. The bet was that he could find testimonial of peoplwho SAW aliens collapsing BUILDING 7.

Proceed.

"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers.
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Dave W.
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USA
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Posted - 05/08/2007 :  08:05:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

No im talking about building 7. That was the specific allegation. Find me a quote that says 7 was brought down by aliens.
How much more precise than "...September 11 was all caused by aliens" do you need? Building 7 coming down was a part of 9/11, and this guy says it was all caused by aliens. Ah, but now you're playing lawyer about the language, so nevermind.

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j911ob
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Posted - 05/08/2007 :  08:42:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

No im talking about building 7. That was the specific allegation. Find me a quote that says 7 was brought down by aliens.
How much more precise than "...September 11 was all caused by aliens" do you need? Building 7 coming down was a part of 9/11, and this guy says it was all caused by aliens. Ah, but now you're playing lawyer about the language, so nevermind.



No the bet was that he could produce testimonials of people who SAW building 7 be brought down by aliens. You have failed to produce them. The bet stands.

"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers.
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Ricky
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Posted - 05/08/2007 :  09:36:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No, my bet was:

quote:
I bet I could find testimonials of people who claim to have seen extra terrestrials do it.


The "it" referred to 9/11.

The point was that testimonials are crap. You don't believe them when you see them on TV, you don't believe them when someone is claiming that they are psychic, so why the hell would you believe them here? You change your standard of evidence because you want to believe in the conspiracy.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
Edited by - Ricky on 05/08/2007 09:41:27
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j911ob
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Posted - 05/08/2007 :  10:15:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Ricky

No, my bet was:

quote:
I bet I could find testimonials of people who claim to have seen extra terrestrials do it.


The "it" referred to 9/11.

The point was that testimonials are crap. You don't believe them when you see them on TV, you don't believe them when someone is claiming that they are psychic, so why the hell would you believe them here? You change your standard of evidence because you want to believe in the conspiracy.



Wow those goalposts are on ski's. You were talking about building 7 and you lost the bet.

I notice you are not skeptical of the testimony of people who support the official story.

"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers.
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Ricky
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USA
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Posted - 05/08/2007 :  11:02:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Wow those goalposts are on ski's. You were talking about building 7 and you lost the bet.


Thanks for telling me what I meant when I said "it". I notice now that it was not clear what "it" referred to and I apologize. But please, when I tell you what I meant, believe me.

quote:

I notice you are not skeptical of the testimony of people who support the official story.


How did you come to this conclusion? Have I ever stated what I think on the matter? No, I have not.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Dave W.
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USA
26022 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2007 :  11:16:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky

How did you come to this conclusion? Have I ever stated what I think on the matter? No, I have not.
j911ob is obviously so desperate to score political points - since he's got no evidence to support his major claims - that he's just making up stuff about people here. The irony being that with such skills, he'd have little trouble getting a job with the Bush administration.

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JohnOAS
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Australia
800 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2007 :  19:39:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit JohnOAS's Homepage Send JohnOAS a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

quote:
Originally posted by JohnOAS

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Originally posted by j911ob
But what if the building had stood for another 12 hours? How did the BBC manage to predict it just 20 minutes before?

If it had then you'd be here telling us all how it was predicted 12 hours early, and that this is even better proof of your theory. Had it been 10 seconds before the collapse, that too, would be obvious proof that your theory is correct. The great thing about conspiracy theories is that they can accommodate pretty much any fact as support, it just makes the conspiracy a little more complex.

Of course, if it was simply a reporting stuff up, the 20 minute figure is not proof of anything.

It's much more fun when you can assume your conclusion in order to support that conclusion though, isn't it?






The whole body of evidence, such as the motive I posted above and the EMT testimonies and the certainty people seemed to have of this imminent unprecedented collapse point to it being done deliberately.

There is no way they could leave that building standing , preventing them from rescuing their fallen brothers.


So, misdirection aside, what again is the significance of the 20 minutes figure, and why is it better or worse than 12 hours? Even if it was done deliberately, why what makes you think the BBC announcement was anything other than a non-conspiratorial screw up?

John's just this guy, you know.
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