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Dude
SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 08/01/2008 :  17:00:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The more I read about this thing, the more impressed I am. Considering its one of a kind nature (to us anyway), I wonder about the maker. Had to be a virtuoso for the time.


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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 08/01/2008 :  20:05:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dude

The more I read about this thing, the more impressed I am. Considering its one of a kind nature (to us anyway), I wonder about the maker. Had to be a virtuoso for the time.


I am equally impressed.

It's occurred to me that devices such as the Antikythera Mechanism are closely related to the Ptolemaic theory of epicycles.

Epicycles were an attempt in the 3rd Century BCE to describe the movement of planets in an earth-centered cosmos as a function of complex celestial machinery.

The Antikythera Mechanism, from the middle of the 2nd Century BCE, may have developed from a hundred years or so of attempts to physically model the epicycle theory.

I'm imagining, just as the ancient philosophers had to keep adding more complex, nested systems of epicycles in order to eliminate prediction errors in their theory, so too did the philosophers and craftsmen making computers such as the Antikythera Mechanism have to keep adding more gears and tweaks for accuracy.

I suspect the philosophers overseeing the development of the Antikythera Mechanism and its like were members of the Ptolemaic school that created that geocentric epicycle theory.



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Edited by - HalfMooner on 08/01/2008 23:22:56
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Grounder
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Posted - 06/05/2012 :  07:45:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Grounder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've just watched a fascinating BBC documentary on this device. With apologies to skeptics outside the UK for whom it will be of little use, here is a link to the programme:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01hlkcq/The_TwoThousandYearOld_Computer/

No spoilers yet for sceptics in Britain, but I'll update in a few days if there's any interest.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 06/05/2012 :  08:10:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Grounder

I've just watched a fascinating BBC documentary on this device. With apologies to skeptics outside the UK for whom it will be of little use, here is a link to the programme:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01hlkcq/The_TwoThousandYearOld_Computer/

No spoilers yet for sceptics in Britain, but I'll update in a few days if there's any interest.
Thanks. Wish I could watch that here in the Philippines, but no. And welcome to Skeptic Friends Network, Grounder!

Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Grounder
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Posted - 06/05/2012 :  15:53:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Grounder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Originally posted by Grounder

I've just watched a fascinating BBC documentary on this device. With apologies to skeptics outside the UK for whom it will be of little use, here is a link to the programme:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01hlkcq/The_TwoThousandYearOld_Computer/

No spoilers yet for sceptics in Britain, but I'll update in a few days if there's any interest.
Thanks. Wish I could watch that here in the Philippines, but no. And welcome to Skeptic Friends Network, Grounder!


Thank you, HalfMooner. I found a YouTube link for you. Enjoy it while you can:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h89uTq6URiw
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf

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Posted - 06/05/2012 :  19:30:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Grounder

I've just watched a fascinating BBC documentary on this device. With apologies to skeptics outside the UK for whom it will be of little use, here is a link to the programme:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01hlkcq/The_TwoThousandYearOld_Computer/

No spoilers yet for sceptics in Britain, but I'll update in a few days if there's any interest.

Fascinating!

And there's the simplified LEGO version...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLPVCJjTNgk
Edited by - ThorGoLucky on 06/05/2012 19:44:48
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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 06/05/2012 :  20:12:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Grounder


Thank you, HalfMooner. I found a YouTube link for you. Enjoy it while you can:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h89uTq6URiw
Super, Grounder! Loading it now, before BBC has it pulled down.

Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
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Posted - 06/05/2012 :  21:43:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Originally posted by Grounder


Thank you, HalfMooner. I found a YouTube link for you. Enjoy it while you can:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h89uTq6URiw
Super, Grounder! Loading it now, before BBC has it pulled down.
I just watched it. Really good!

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 06/05/2012 :  22:58:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ah, that was wonderful! It goes to show that the greatest discoveries sometimes require a close cooperation between different specialties. In this case, archaeology, astronomy, history, digital image enhancement, mechanics, linguistics, x-ray technology, and computer modeling were some of the fields contributing to assembling this terrifically complex puzzle.

The ancient Greeks were extremely clever to be able to put this highly accurate mechanism together, and especially to be able to make it take elliptical orbits into consideration. My hat is off to both the ancients and their genius, and to the modern people who reverse engineered this mystery.

Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 06/05/2012 23:00:05
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Kil
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Posted - 06/05/2012 :  23:58:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I suspect aliens.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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