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Gorgo
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USA
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Posted - 03/23/2007 :  09:01:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Again, what you are saying is based on the fact that "everyone knows" it's a fact. That's my problem with it. If you're saying that it's irrelevant to the whole picture, then that's fine. If it's not irrelevant, then I'd think you'd want to back up what you say.

This is a third world country with a history before WWII, as was the USSR, subject to outside forces under which either one of them had little control. I'm sure they didn't handle things perfectly, but neither did anyone else.

I'll tell you what. You continue with your analysis, and I'll shut up for a while and let you get to your point.


I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter



Edited by - Gorgo on 03/23/2007 09:03:16
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tomk80
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Netherlands
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Posted - 03/23/2007 :  09:32:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit tomk80's Homepage Send tomk80 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo

Again, what you are saying is based on the fact that "everyone knows" it's a fact. That's my problem with it.

How do you mean? Again, what is specifically wrong with what I have written up to the 1960s.

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If you're saying that it's irrelevant to the whole picture, then that's fine. If it's not irrelevant, then I'd think you'd want to back up what you say.

I have backed up what I said. What do you think I did not back up?

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This is a third world country with a history before WWII, as was the USSR, subject to outside forces under which either one of them had little control. I'm sure they didn't handle things perfectly, but neither did anyone else.


Of course, but where have I said that anyone was perfect? And yes, Yugoslavia and the USSR were subject to outside forces that they had no control over. But that's true for all countries and then the decisions of the countries themselves on how to deal with those forces becomes important. But neither are countries will-less pawns to be played by the 'big forces'. I think Yugoslavia shows that quite accurately in the period up to the 1960s, where it is wooed by all the major players and taken in by none. I would even hazard a guess that if the Yugoslavian internal politics would have been less divided, they would have come out of the cold war as one of the victors.

Tom

`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
-Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Caroll-
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