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What I find remarkably funny about this is the fact that Bill and his ilk don't even realize they are being manipulated.
He, and the thousands of assclowns like him who are "debating" global warming on the internet all have the same talking points, the same references, the same speil. I wonder why....
They jump at the opportunity to poo-poo evolution, global warming, flag burning, anti-war protestors, anything that even hints at socialism (like European healthcare, despite the tremendous success of European healthcare), and they are always ready to defend shit like the Iraq war, ID, global corporatism, insane energy policies, and environmentalism.
Most skeptic and atheist forums I visit have atleast a few of these mental gaints trolling through and shitting on the floor, spouting back Coultergeist quotes and trying deperately to convince anyone who will listen that science is wrong, evolution is a lie, global warming is a liberal conspiracy, and G.W. Bush is the messiah.
It is impossible to have a reasonable conversation with them, say nothing of a legitimate debate.
As usual, Bill Scott is..... full of it!
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 05:35:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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That's why the consensus is that we're only 90% sure that global warming is being caused by human activity.
90% huh. And did they come to a 100% consensus on that 90%? Or was it 75% for 90% and 15% for 80% while 70% came in last with 10%? Or was it just an up and down vote on the 90%?
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 05:55:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
90% huh. And did they come to a 100% consensus on that 90%? Or was it 75% for 90% and 15% for 80% while 70% came in last with 10%? Or was it just an up and down vote on the 90%?
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 05:59:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Because if it's not our fault, then we don't have to change our behavior. Keep on driving your SUVs, they aren't the problem.
And here is the fringe I have been trying to explain to you all. Trying to blame so called MMGW on Soccer moms who drive Trail Blazers to the game. So much do they loath these urbanite queens that they would burn an entire car lot of SUV's to the ground to keep them from the hands of the elitist suburbia GW denier. In effect releasing more toxins into the eco system then would have ever been emmited by the poor defenseless SUV had it been free to live out it's natural life. These people will trumpet Al Gore as a modern day Wallace and hand wave off the fact that he burns 1000's of pounds of aviation fuel annually while hopping around in a personal jet. Sad really.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 06:04:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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That all depends on what you think Newsweek is the only "platform" for.
Who cares? I am more interested in the polling method used to derive this 90% chance of MMGW figure that you speak of. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 06:27:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by perrodetokio
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Also: In science you do research and experimentation to have data that will allow you to reach a result.
Yes, and many times these results are proven wrong at a later time making them pseudoscience all at a time when they were being trumpeted as the scientific facts. So we must conclude that scientific results and scientific facts are not the end all be all of truth. Why? Because we see many times where they have been completely wrong so how could they be the end all be all.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Neurosis
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 06:47:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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That's why the consensus is that we're only 90% sure that global warming is being caused by human activity.
90% huh. And did they come to a 100% consensus on that 90%? Or was it 75% for 90% and 15% for 80% while 70% came in last with 10%? Or was it just an up and down vote on the 90%?
On your last leg, huh. Doesn't even look like your good leg. Oh well, the bright side is your all held up by the false claims of the Bush fantasy. Oh no, even he is giving in to reality. Was that a wobble? Hey, you still got Exxon Mobile. They made alot of money this last year, you in on that stock? I seriously saw a wobble that time. Ok, well I am going to leave now, and I have faith that you can stand through this Bill, even without a leg to stand on. |
Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson
[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink
Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.] |
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Neurosis
SFN Regular
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 06:50:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by perrodetokio
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Also: In science you do research and experimentation to have data that will allow you to reach a result.
Yes, and many times these results are proven wrong at a later time making them pseudoscience all at a time when they were being trumpeted as the scientific facts. So we must conclude that scientific results and scientific facts are not the end all be all of truth. Why? Because we see many times where they have been completely wrong so how could they be the end all be all.
They self correct! Who tells the scientist they are wrong Bill? Oh yea, other scientist! |
Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson
[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink
Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.] |
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 06:58:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Because if it's not our fault, then we don't have to change our behavior. Keep on driving your SUVs, they aren't the problem.
And here is the fringe I have been trying to explain to you all. Trying to blame so called MMGW on Soccer moms who drive Trail Blazers to the game. So much do they loath these urbanite queens that they would burn an entire car lot of SUV's to the ground to keep them from the hands of the elitist suburbia GW denier. In effect releasing more toxins into the eco system then would have ever been emmited by the poor defenseless SUV had it been free to live out it's natural life. These people will trumpet Al Gore as a modern day Wallace and hand wave off the fact that he burns 1000's of pounds of aviation fuel annually while hopping around in a personal jet. Sad really.
So basically you want to ignore the scientific consensus because there is a group that would want to ban SUV's? What kind of messed up reasoning is that? |
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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tomk80
SFN Regular
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 07:07:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Neurosis
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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That's why the consensus is that we're only 90% sure that global warming is being caused by human activity.
90% huh. And did they come to a 100% consensus on that 90%? Or was it 75% for 90% and 15% for 80% while 70% came in last with 10%? Or was it just an up and down vote on the 90%?
On your last leg, huh. Doesn't even look like your good leg. Oh well, the bright side is your all held up by the false claims of the Bush fantasy. Oh no, even he is giving in to reality. Was that a wobble? Hey, you still got Exxon Mobile. They made alot of money this last year, you in on that stock? I seriously saw a wobble that time. Ok, well I am going to leave now, and I have faith that you can stand through this Bill, even without a leg to stand on.
This response of Bill reminds me off the black knight in Monty Pythons "Quest for the holy grail". "It's just a flesh wound." |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Neurosis
SFN Regular
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 07:08:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Because if it's not our fault, then we don't have to change our behavior. Keep on driving your SUVs, they aren't the problem.
And here is the fringe I have been trying to explain to you all. Trying to blame so called MMGW on Soccer moms who drive Trail Blazers to the game. So much do they loath these urbanite queens that they would burn an entire car lot of SUV's to the ground to keep them from the hands of the elitist suburbia GW denier. In effect releasing more toxins into the eco system then would have ever been emmited by the poor defenseless SUV had it been free to live out it's natural life. These people will trumpet Al Gore as a modern day Wallace and hand wave off the fact that he burns 1000's of pounds of aviation fuel annually while hopping around in a personal jet. Sad really.
Are you seriously that slow? No one blames GW on soccer moms! GW is a problem that everyone can work to fix, however. The main issue at hand is emissions from large polluters in the corporate sector. The thing about capitalism (that thing you asserted earlier was so great) is that it moves on the demands of the consumer, so the solution is in the private sector.
You still have yet to produce any semblance of an argument, Bill. Science could be wrong. Everything could be ok. And fairies can get their wings if you only believe. Sorry, it just ain't happening.
*Bizarro world ahead turn back*
What if Bill were right? Nothing. We still have highly inefficient gas guzzling vehicles and still are under the mercy of oil pushers. Why do we not want cleaner energy sources? Why do we not want better gas milage? Why do we not want less CO2? Why do we not want more polar bears? Why do we not want cleaner air to breathe?
Bill can't answer these questions because Bill is a talking head. |
Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson
[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink
Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.] |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 07:12:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Neurosis
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On your last leg, huh.
Nope
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Doesn't even look like your good leg.
Look again.
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Oh well, the bright side is your all held up by the false claims of the Bush fantasy.
Please show me one time where I mentioned Bush in this whole thread? He's your obbsesion, not mine.
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Oh no, even he is giving in to reality.
And we all know how GWB is never wrong. So him giving man made GW a thumbs up is the seal on the deal? It must be true now. (sigh)
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Hey, you still got Exxon Mobile. They made alot of money this last year, you in on that stock?
I despise EM for many reason. However, that by default does not mean that Dodge Durango's, on the way to the kid's baseball practice, are the cause of MMGW. Shoot, I think Microsoft is sleazy money grubbing company. However, that does not mean I can pin the responsibility for MMGW on Windows.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 07:19:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Neurosis
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They self correct! Who tells the scientist they are wrong Bill? Oh yea, other scientist!
Yes, but for all we know they could be wrong on their self correction. They could be trumping miss-information with miss-information. Once again demonstrating that man's science is not the end all be all of truth. It's been wrong on so many different occasions how could it be? |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Neurosis
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 07:20:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
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Originally posted by Neurosis
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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That's why the consensus is that we're only 90% sure that global warming is being caused by human activity.
90% huh. And did they come to a 100% consensus on that 90%? Or was it 75% for 90% and 15% for 80% while 70% came in last with 10%? Or was it just an up and down vote on the 90%?
On your last leg, huh. Doesn't even look like your good leg. Oh well, the bright side is your all held up by the false claims of the Bush fantasy. Oh no, even he is giving in to reality. Was that a wobble? Hey, you still got Exxon Mobile. They made alot of money this last year, you in on that stock? I seriously saw a wobble that time. Ok, well I am going to leave now, and I have faith that you can stand through this Bill, even without a leg to stand on.
This response of Bill reminds me off the black knight in Monty Pythons "Quest for the holy grail". "It's just a flesh wound."
Arther: Now let me pass good knght.
Black Knight: Tis only a scratch.
Arther: Your arm's off!
Black Knight: NO it isn't.
Arther: You have no arms!
Black Knight: It's only a flesh would.
Arther: What are you gonna do? Bleed on me!
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Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson
[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink
Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.] |
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Neurosis
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 07:24:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by Neurosis
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They self correct! Who tells the scientist they are wrong Bill? Oh yea, other scientist!
Yes, but for all we know they could be wrong on their self correction. They could be trumping miss-information with miss-information. Once again demonstrating that man's science is not the end all be all of truth. It's been wrong on so many different occasions how could it be?
Your right, Bill. I highly suggest you go crawl under a rock. Don't want to be fooled by the mis-information.
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Yes, Bill only a brave few can actually go out and do research on their own. Only us tireless souls can get our arse off the couch and get a library card. Low to we brave souls for our journey is yet long ahead, perilously searching for convincing arguments, data, and actual thoughts. We must think our way out of that paper sack, rather than call it home like so many of our brethren. Must we so work our bones? Can we not take a rest from such toil? No, for to do so would be... intellectual suicide. Stay back, Bill, the road is too difficult for the weak minded. It is best you simply let others do the work for you and merely stand back, clear of dangerous mis-information or yet worse mis-mis-information, aside: I don't think I'll even hint at the mis-mis-mis-information. Shuddering No Bill ahead is too much collating and organizing of facts. You take a rest here on under this rock, and await news from the brave scouts who will take on the arduous task of, thinking. cue scary music. |
Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson
[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink
Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.] |
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Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?
