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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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 Posted - 05/08/2007 : 05:46:18 [Permalink]
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| All the building 7 "smoking gun" evidence is thoroughly debunked here, including the canard that "the BBC reported the building's collapse 26 minutes in advance." |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 05:52:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
All the building 7 "smoking gun" evidence is thoroughly debunked here, including the canard that "the BBC reported the building's collapse 26 minutes in advance."
Rather than debunking strawmen, I would like to see the official report on building 7. I mean its only been 5 and a half years. No one can pre empt that report. Dr Sunder of NIST said last year that they really dont know what happened to 7.
If they dont know then how does that anonymous site know? |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 07:08:11 [Permalink]
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| Perhaps you should look up strawman arguments. You are not using that phrase correctly. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 07:16:50 [Permalink]
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| Perhaps he should look up Ad Hominem attacks too. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 07:32:00 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by j911ob
quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
All the building 7 "smoking gun" evidence is thoroughly debunked here, including the canard that "the BBC reported the building's collapse 26 minutes in advance."
Rather than debunking strawmen, I would like to see the official report on building 7. I mean its only been 5 and a half years. No one can pre empt that report. Dr Sunder of NIST said last year that they really dont know what happened to 7.
If they dont know then how does that anonymous site know?
The "anonymous" site doesn't claim to know anything. Instead, it demonstrates that various arguments for WTC 7 being purposefully demolished as part of a larger conspiracy are entirely without merit.
Earlier, SilentKoala argued that "anomalies surrounding the collapse of WTC Building 7" were compelling proof that "9/11 was undeniably an inside job." Yet, the "anomalies" cited are anything but. For instance, he posited that "the biggest smoking gun of all [is] the fact that the BBC reported the building's collapse 26 minutes in advance, while the building was still standing." Yet logically, this doesn't make sense. Why clue in media outlets in on an event-- and thus expose your nefarious plans-- when they'd report on it anyway without prompting, therefore keeping your plan secret?!? It doesn't make sense.
Moreover, as documented in the site I linked to, the BBC reporter said at the outset that the "details are very, very sketchy." Given that it was known for hours in advance that the building was on the verge of collapse, it's not hard to posit a simple miscommunication (as often happens in live reporting of tragic events; again, see the link for details).
Again, it's that or posit that the evil conspirators faxed the BBC in advance to tell them: "We're going to blow up a building at time X. Be sure to report on it-- as though it were a part of the 'terrorist' attacks we're going to carry out-- after the building has collapsed."
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 07:32:35 [Permalink]
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"I would like to see the official report on building 7. I mean its only been 5 and a half years. No one can pre empt that report. Dr Sunder of NIST said last year that they really dont know what happened to 7.
If they dont know then how does that anonymous site know?"
Care to address this or will you just use my strawman accusations as a strawman? |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 07:50:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
"I would like to see the official report on building 7. I mean its only been 5 and a half years. No one can pre empt that report. Dr Sunder of NIST said last year that they really dont know what happened to 7.
If they dont know then how does that anonymous site know?"
Care to address this or will you just use my strawman accusations as a strawman?
Why address that? It's just a red herring to distract away from the flaws in SilentKoala's OP. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 07:51:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
"I would like to see the official report on building 7. I mean its only been 5 and a half years. No one can pre empt that report. Dr Sunder of NIST said last year that they really dont know what happened to 7.
If they dont know then how does that anonymous site know?"
Care to address this or will you just use my strawman accusations as a strawman?
What are you talking about? You made two claims. First, you lamented that fact that you haven't seen the "official report on building 7." I didn't address that, but I will now: ask someone else. I have nothing to do with said report and am completely unaware of its status.
You made a second point: "If they dont know then how does that anonymous site know?" I addressed that here. |
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perrodetokio
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 08:15:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by SilentKoala
I refuse the find the simplest explaination? The simplest explaination based on the evidence is the explaination I have stated. The only thing that gets in the way of that explaination is your belief that the government would "never do such a thing" (even though it is the same government that protects the rigths of women to rip unborn babies out of their stomachs and throw them in the garbage at a rate of several milliaon a year, lies to the american public about everything, lied to invade a foriegn country, tortures prisoners, and has shreded our constitution and our civil liberties).
Hello? The government that lied to invade a foreing country, took away from you many civil liberties and tortures prisioners is desperately trying to TAKE AWAY WOMEN'S RIGHTS TO HAVE AN ABORTION. Guess they need more cannon fodder or maybe to score some points with thr religious right.
Sort your self out, please.
Cheers
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 09:44:41 [Permalink]
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Oh, look now: SilentKoala's gotten himself in over his head and is requesting help from his Loose Change bretheren.
Of course, the guy who started this "raid" (jackchit, aka mark roberts gay spy) has abandoned his friends over here. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 10:06:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Oh, look now: SilentKoala's gotten himself in over his head and is requesting help from his Loose Change bretheren.
Of course, the guy who started this "raid" (jackchit, aka mark roberts gay spy) has abandoned his friends over here.
Ha! I found this to be a great quote:
"Theres nothing like a fresh new forum. They are even worse than jref though, They dont seem to present any evidence atall. We can totally dismantle these clowns."
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 10:18:12 [Permalink]
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And now j911ob is whining about being warned about starting new threads:The forum has now threatened me that if i start any more threads there I will be banned. I started 2 threads about 2 different subjects. They are worse than randi's mob! Of course, j911ob wasn't warned about starting "any more threads," but instead given specifics. I guess we can add "persecution complex" to his list of problems. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/08/2007 : 10:55:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
And now j911ob is whining about being warned about starting new threads:The forum has now threatened me that if i start any more threads there I will be banned. I started 2 threads about 2 different subjects. They are worse than randi's mob! Of course, j911ob wasn't warned about starting "any more threads," but instead given specifics. I guess we can add "persecution complex" to his list of problems.
Yes I was warned not to start any more threads aka censorship. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2007 : 11:13:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
Yes I was warned not to start any more threads aka censorship.
Nobody said that you can't talk about whatever it is you want to talk about. You're not being censored. We are simply sick of the "thread bloat" that seems to come with this subject. With over 15 currently open threads about 9/11 here, surely you can find one into which to stick your thoughts. You're not being persecuted, so you can quit acting the victim. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 05/08/2007 : 11:51:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
Oh, look now: SilentKoala's gotten himself in over his head and is requesting help from his Loose Change bretheren.
Of course, the guy who started this "raid" (jackchit, aka mark roberts gay spy) has abandoned his friends over here.
Ha! I found this to be a great quote:
"Theres nothing like a fresh new forum. They are even worse than jref though, They dont seem to present any evidence atall. We can totally dismantle these clowns."
Dismantle us, hah? 
You really should have researched us a little more thourghly. 
Fucking bring it! 
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Building 7: The Smoking Gun of the 9/11 Inside Job
