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the_ignored
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 Posted - 06/09/2007 : 09:56:13 [Permalink]
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Too much stuff for me to bother with now, so I'll focus on just a few things:
Originally posted by smoke
2) Whereas carbon bonds can under various circumstances form very complex molecules. Even in outer space where scientists have used spectrographic readings of telescope measurments and have found organic molecules in space. |
| "very complex" meaning the proteins which are unsuitable for life because of their 50% left and right amino acids. And don't fool yourself; organic molecules are molecules with carbon in them. |
Duh. Those are the building blocks. The environment on earth would determine which if any would be able to give rise to eventual life.
Check out the human fossil record.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/compare.html
In particular, have a look at the charts where creationists can't keep it clear on which is human, and which is ape, despite them supposed to be different "kinds"!
In my opinion, the first two are extinct species of monkeys, and the rest are all human. |
You didn't quite catch the point. If humans and apes are supposed to be different kinds altogether as creationists claim, why do they have so much confusion in categorizing them? Some will call the same fossil a human, others call it an ape.
Evolutionary theory predicts that with transitional forms there'd be some level of confusion. Creation "theory" has to try to explain that confustion away after the fact.
Note that you didn't even try to deal with that point in your reply. You just stated your opinion about which was ape and which was human, just as those other guys did, and probably contradicted at least some of their categorizations as well!
Now, what in nature proclaims Christ himself?
Christ is God as per the introduction of the Gospel of John. |
So, I'm taking about "what in nature proclaims Christ"! You've missed the point again!
Actually, all we have to do is note that the the christian, who has found the "one true god" of the universe would have to had already scoured the entire universe to find this "one true god" of theirs, and then all we have to do is examine the evidence for this last remaining god. Thanks for doing all the footwork for us.
Actually no. If it were shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the historical Jesus was the biblical Christ then all other belief and nonbelief systems immediately evaporate. |
And if it's shown that the historical Jesus was not the "biblical Christ"?
| If you were to show that isn't true, you'd have to do all the work yourself, which is never going to be done because you have to disprove religions that were either never revealed to the public (i.e. special revelations to one man some time ago), and ones from the future. |
Why should we? It's up to the believers to show that their faith(s) are the real deals. So far, no religion has stood up to critical scrutiny, from the Egyptian to the Greek and every other religion that has evaporated over time.
All we have to do then is disprove one single, solitary bible verse and the game's over.
Which results in forums such as these with endless quibbles about out of context verses so that the work that has to be done in scholarship won't have to. But lucky for you ignorance and laziness are not sins.
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Too bad for you I've spent time in other forums like Theology Web, Rapture Ready and the Jews for Judaism forums where we do talk and read about actual scholarship. Even worse for you, arrogance in your religion is a sin, isn't it?
About as fair as saing that it's not logical that something as obviously complex as your god would have to be to have no creator himself. Again, see the earlier responses dealing with your soda can stuff above.
Talk about comparing apples with oranges. The physical laws of the universe are not a restriction on the uncharted by definition supernatural. |
In other words, cop out. Why do you assume that because something is supernatural and supposedly beyond the physical laws of the universe, that it is itself not complex??
Ok, if Jesus was supposed to "take" our punishment, then why is it that he only spent 3 days in the tomb whereas if any of us takes that punishment, it's an ETERNITY in hell? Care to explain how 3 days for him is supposed to be the same as an eternity for any one of us? After all, he was supposed to have eternally existed before he came to earth, and he's supposed to exist eternally after he left. Yet we, who have only finite lives are the ones who wind up with the bigger punishment.
It would have been even less than 3 days had it not been for Jonah who spent 3 days in the stomach of a whale. The answer to your question is because the spirit is immortal so it cannot die, thus it is in Hell forever. |
Yes, that's the bigger punishment I'm talking about! We only live a short time in our physical lives, yet the price we pay is an eternal one, with our spirits being put in hell forever. Christ, meanwhile was supposed to have eternally pre-existed, yet he spent less time in hell than we do!
What I'm trying to say is: the proportion of time that he spent in hell is far less than what we're supposed to spend, yet you somehow say that he paid the "full" price!
| The physical body dies after a while. If you put your faith in Christ you won't get the "bigger punishment." If Christ had sinned He would have gone to the same place that you say is unfair for the unbelievers to go. |
Isn't that like being fined a million dollars for something in a civil suit, then some rich guy comes along, slaps down a fiver and the judge says that "the punishment's been paid in your behalf"? Doesn't that seem slightly ridiculous?
Jesus paid for our sins what we would have paid in Hell. He didn't "slap down a fiver"...He slapped down a million dollars for everyone.
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No he didn't. After 3 days he got back out. How long do we spend in hell again?
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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An analysis of Ray Comfort's crap.
