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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 05/13/2007 : 19:08:15 [Permalink]
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Hondo---The data supplied by the ipcc does not fit with the conclusions drawn and reported in the media.
The purpose would be to exise global tax from the people WITH their consent.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 19:09:37 [Permalink]
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Hondo---i answered in less than a minute.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 19:10:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Dave you repiled to a question with a question.
Why would the data be hidden in a chart that compares 42years to 10 years?
Is it possible that the data is being hidden or are the scientist not very good?
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I asked you to present the explanation given in the report you claim to have been reading. Instead, you present a false dichotomy in which both choices defame the scientists who wrote the report. You seem to have no interest whatsoever in the science, your sole purpose here appears to be to make illogical, unsupported, politically motivated assertions against the people involved. Probably because (as you've already demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt) you're too scientifically illiterate to make a convincing argument against the science itself.
And again I ask: where is your evidence that any scientific conclusions have been compromised? The fact that people can be compromised isn't good enough for a court of law (otherwise every prisoner should be let free), so it certainly isn't good enough for a scientific discussion where the standards for "truth" are much, much higher. So where is the evidence? |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 19:11:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Atomic are you trying to turn this post twords name calling? |
You already started the name-calling. Don't try to shift that particular blame onto someone else. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 19:21:01 [Permalink]
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Dave ----have you read the ipcc report?
Or do you, apeal to authority and trust without reading the data for yourself.
Please look at the data supplied and show me what scientific porposes would be severed by comparing 10 years of data to 42 years of data.
I have presented this infomation from the ipcc to debate; as of yet no one has taken the challange.
Dave you claim "false dichotomy" when i clearly stated "I am open for another resonable explaination" which you quoted.
Now dave you know that was not fair to accuse me of presenting a false dichotomy when your quote of me proves your assertion false.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 19:22:38 [Permalink]
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Dave-- could you please quote me as name calling.
I do not seem to recall.
Or is this another attempt to not talk about the data in the ipcc reports?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Hondo
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 19:35:00 [Permalink]
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OK.
I do think global warming, ala Gore, is rather sensationalist and heavy on the immanent gloom & doom fear-mongering we get from Hollywood and it's premise is overly reliant on man-made causation, but I do think we should try to cut back. CO2 isn't a good thing in anyone's lungs. The only "scam" I see is the presumption that CO2 emissions are OK for some countries, not others. Take the Kyoto Protocol for example. Let's either be serious about air pollution or not.. no economic byes. |
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Hondo
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 19:45:18 [Permalink]
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| Gnome, you do realize your "tax" is predicated on people universally buying in to the imminent 'doom & gloom' don't you? Hasn't happened yet. I don't think it will. There will always be people like me that don't let their politics get in the way of common sense and science. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 19:45:24 [Permalink]
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Hondo--- I agree that we all should promote the enviroment.
Keep in mind that co2 is the food of plants.
Plants produce oxegen for animals.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 19:48:45 [Permalink]
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Hondo---I does not bother me one way or the other. The taxes will always come when the government needs.
I just find it amusing that sooo many believe (much like religion) without looking at the facts.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Hondo
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 20:00:51 [Permalink]
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| What's your point here? If it's skepticism about the degree we supposedly play in global warming, I share it. If it's anything more, then we'll have to discuss it. Outside of weird-ass, hypocritical liberal "carbon quotas," I really don't see a "scam" afoot and don't think this pro-CO2 administration is about to tax us and start one. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 20:02:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
...apeal to authority...
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An Appeal to Authority isn't a logical fallacy when the appeal is to experts in the field.
Neither you nor me can be considered experts in climatology, even if we read the entire IPCC-report, that's why an appeal can be approrpriate. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 20:10:38 [Permalink]
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Mabuse---Are you stating that you read the report and did not understand it, therefore you are trusting the governmental agents that the ipcc descibes as doing the final review?
Hondo---That is my point:"skepticism about the degree we supposedly play in global warming"
Its almost like a religion:
Why do you beleive that way?
Because the book tells me so.
What does the book say?
The preacher tells me what it says.
Why dont you read the book yourself?
Because the preacher already told me what it says.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Hondo
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 20:23:05 [Permalink]
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Just to clarify:
Skepticism about the causation of global warming is fine IMO, I think it's cyclical myself and it would happen no matter what we did. That's my opinion and I allow that I can be wrong. I'm against air pollution anyway.
Where's the "scam" you mentioned factor in?
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 05/13/2007 : 20:28:59 [Permalink]
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| It seems to me that there's a huge error in logic here. In particular, the arguments for man-made global warming far transcend one single report. Rather, they have been put forward for years now in various journals and books. If one were to posit a giant conspiracy, one would have to look back at myriad data from myriad sources and try to find the governmental hand in all of them-- an unlikely scenario, no? |
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IS GLOBAL WARMING A SCAM TO TAX?
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