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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/22/2007 :  19:08:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Debunk: to expose the sham or falseness of (Websters)
Ah, you do know the definition. So then you must also know that posting self-contradictory popular-press articles from people with obvious political agendas does nothing "to expose the sham or falseness of" the scientific consensus on global climate change.

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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/22/2007 :  19:22:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

|This one is great: "Plus, let's think about this: Pluto is more than 30 times farther away from the Sun than the Earth is. If the Sun were warming up enough to affect Pluto at that vast distance, it would blowtorch the Earth."

This blogger is making things up, silly things at that.
Let's see... the distance-squared law says that whatever radiation Pluto receives from the Sun, the Earth receives more than 900 times that much (302=900). Simple physics.

Actually, to complicate it, Pluto's average distance from the Sun is 39.5 AU, so Earth, on average, receives 1,560.25 times the radiation from the Sun that Pluto does.

But it gets worse, the more we look at reality. Pluto's radius is only 1,195 km, compared to Earth's 6,372 km radius, so Pluto only has about 3.5% of the cross-sectional area of the Earth, meaning the Earth actually receives 44,362 times as much radiation as Pluto (1,560.25/0.035 is about 44,362).



The statement is silly because Pluto currently is warmed by the sun and the earth is not currently engulfed in a blowtorch.



What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/22/2007 :  19:33:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

The statement is silly because Pluto currently is warmed by the sun and the earth is not currently engulfed in a blowtorch.
Your objection is silly because the point Phil was making is that whatever solar radiation is required for Pluto's temperature to increase by one degree, Earth will receive 44,362 times as much of it. Simple physics.

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Posted - 06/22/2007 :  20:08:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message
15 pages and debunked from the beginning and debunked at the end.


What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 06/22/2007 :  20:45:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

15 pages and debunked from the beginning and debunked at the end.


I guess the use of the "prop" smiley means he's right?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/22/2007 :  22:27:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Nah. Jerome thinks that if he repeats a statement enough times, it'll magically become true.

And he refuses to engage in the simplest of scientific discussions, namely the angle subtendedby a planet and the distance-squared law.

Anyway, this thread is getting a 15th page closure.

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