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Originally posted by JohnOAS
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Feathers hook onto one another in wings. They do not look like rounded sections next to one another. This looks like a representation of wings. This does not look like feathers. |
I've no palaeontological qualifications whatsoever, but they kinda look like feathers to me.
Which "rounded sections are you referring to, the red ones or the green ones?
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Red, and those are not fossil feathers according to science. So, I ask why did they present the representation of wings?
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 18:59:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Anyone every read Atlas Shrugged? The prediction was made that science has been and would continue to be used to present as fact the opposite of presented evidence. In fact the prediction was made that people would rely on the priesthood of scientific authority to deny what is seen with ones own eyes. |
Now, now, people. Many fiction writers have successfully predicted things. Look at Arthur C. Clarke and the communications satellite (or so he says).
No, what should be blowing up irony meters is that Jerome brought up this prediction in the context of a fossil for which he hasn't seen the evidence with his own eyes, but only through the lens of a camera. Perhaps only overexposed, digitized and smeared with JPEG artifacts, too.
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Were does science show that this representation of wings and made of fossil feathers?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 19:49:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by JohnOAS
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Feathers hook onto one another in wings. They do not look like rounded sections next to one another. This looks like a representation of wings. This does not look like feathers. |
I've no palaeontological qualifications whatsoever, but they kinda look like feathers to me.
Which "rounded sections are you referring to, the red ones or the green ones?
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Red, and those are not fossil feathers according to science. So, I ask why did they present the representation of wings?
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So you really ARE implying that scientists carved out fake feathers on the original archaeopteryx fossil. Sigh. [extensivenamecallingrepletewithcursewords][/extensivenamecallingrepletewithcursewords]
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 20:11:53 [Permalink]
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Halfmmooner, Have you no science to back up the claim that these are feathers or do you take this on faith?
All I am asking for is the science. No one seems to have the science. Only faith based claims.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Kil
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 21:00:01 [Permalink]
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Those are not fossilized feathers. They are fossilized imprints of feathers.
I challenge you to find even one source, not creationist, that argues that those imprints are faked. In fact, I doubt you can even find a creationist source that will argue that those imprints are faked.
You're making a fool of yourself Jerome.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 21:07:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Those are not fossilized feathers. They are fossilized imprints of feathers.
I challenge you to find even one source, not creationist, that argues that those imprints are faked. In fact, I doubt you can even find a creationist source that will argue that those imprints are faked.
You're making a fool of yourself Jerome.
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I am not making the claim that they are fossilized imprints of feathers. I said they look like cartoon cutouts. It is the responsibility of those that make a claim of fact to present evidence of their claim.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 21:09:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Were does science show that this representation of wings and made of fossil feathers? |
Wow! Way to miss the point, Jerome. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 21:23:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
I said they look like cartoon cutouts. |
Who cares what you think something in some photo looks like? How is that at all a scientific position to take on this matter?| It is the responsibility of those that make a claim of fact to present evidence of their claim. |
And in this case they have done so for decades. You simply refuse to acknowledge it, and instead rely upon a weak argument from incredulity, coupled with your arrogance in thinking that a low-resolution photo can give you all the evidence you need to make an informed decision about a scientific subject. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 21:43:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
I said they look like cartoon cutouts. |
Who cares what you think something in some photo looks like? How is that at all a scientific position to take on this matter?| It is the responsibility of those that make a claim of fact to present evidence of their claim. |
And in this case they have done so for decades. You simply refuse to acknowledge it, and instead rely upon a weak argument from incredulity, coupled with your arrogance in thinking that a low-resolution photo can give you all the evidence you need to make an informed decision about a scientific subject.
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You keep spouting your faith with no evidence. Why not present the scientific evidence that these imprints are imprints of feathers. I gave my impression, you stated fact. Please present evidence of the fact.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 21:54:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
You keep spouting your faith with no evidence. Why not present the scientific evidence that these imprints are imprints of feathers. I gave my impression, you stated fact. Please present evidence of the fact. |
The evidence has already been presented. In this thread you will find many references to it. That you still demand to see the evidence simply says that you are being willfully ignorant of it.
Will you answer my question: how is your "impression" at all scientific? |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 21:57:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
You keep spouting your faith with no evidence. Why not present the scientific evidence that these imprints are imprints of feathers. I gave my impression, you stated fact. Please present evidence of the fact. |
The evidence has already been presented. In this thread you will find many references to it. That you still demand to see the evidence simply says that you are being willfully ignorant of it.
Will you answer my question: how is your "impression" at all scientific?
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I never claimed my impression was scientific.
No science has been posted that examines the claim that those are fossilized feather imprints. At least none I have seen; and I make it a point to read the links.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 22:02:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
| Will you answer my question: how is your "impression" at all scientific? |
I never claimed my impression was scientific. |
Then it has no value in this discussion.| No science has been posted that examines the claim that those are fossilized feather imprints. At least none I have seen; and I make it a point to read the links. |
Except for the footnotes and references in them, apparently. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 22:07:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
| Will you answer my question: how is your "impression" at all scientific? |
I never claimed my impression was scientific. |
Then it has no value in this discussion.| No science has been posted that examines the claim that those are fossilized feather imprints. At least none I have seen; and I make it a point to read the links. |
Except for the footnotes and references in them, apparently.
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Dave, are you admitting you can not articulate why you believe these are feather imprints and also that you can not find the scientific evidence ?
Its O.K. to have faith.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 22:14:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Dave, are you admitting you can not articulate why you believe these are feather imprints and also that you can not find the scientific evidence ? |
Once again, you demonstrate your inability to make an honest argument by attributing to me beliefs that I never spoke of. Can you quote me saying that the fossil has feathers? Of course you cannot.Once again, you're simply projecting. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 22:48:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Dave, are you admitting you can not articulate why you believe these are feather imprints and also that you can not find the scientific evidence ? |
Once again, you demonstrate your inability to make an honest argument by attributing to me beliefs that I never spoke of. Can you quote me saying that the fossil has feathers? Of course you cannot.Once again, you're simply projecting.
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Sorry, do you think those are fossilized imprints of feathers?
I have faith(an assured expectation) that the sun will rise tomorrow.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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