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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 06/23/2007 : 14:45:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
You are making a claim. Present a Hebrew dictionary that defines adultery as only sex with a married woman. |
The Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon, while dated, is still the standard for working with the Hebrew Bible. Under N'P, it defines it as "to commit adultery" further qualifying it as "usu[ally] of a man, always with the wife of another." That is, it goes one way: a married woman can't have sex outside of marriage; a married man can have sex with a single woman (though he'd probably have to marry her, too!).
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Cool, I will let my wife know.
So how does this allow the raping of children?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 06/23/2007 : 15:02:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
You are making a claim. Present a Hebrew dictionary that defines adultery as only sex with a married woman. |
The Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon, while dated, is still the standard for working with the Hebrew Bible. Under N'P, it defines it as "to commit adultery" further qualifying it as "usu[ally] of a man, always with the wife of another." That is, it goes one way: a married woman can't have sex outside of marriage; a married man can have sex with a single woman (though he'd probably have to marry her, too!).
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Cool, I will let my wife know. |
Wow-- you're a real jerk! Your sarcastic answer-- mocking, really-- was completely uncalled for. If you aren't interested in learning the truth then don't ask and go back to your conspiracy sites.
| So how does this allow the raping of children? |
The point was simply that Biblical law as laid out in the Ten Commandments-- and in the cultural context of ancient Near Eastern society-- is inadequate for our modern ideals of right and wrong. In a culture where women (particularly unmarried woman) were a commodity, the "punishment" for having intercourse (whether she wanted it or not) with such a woman was simply that you had to marry her-- and of course compensate the father. That's radically different from our modern idea of right and wrong.
Moreover, you claimed a sort of "literal" approach to following the Ten Commandments, but when shown that the "literal" Hebrew is often quite different from the modern English equivalents, you've dodged the issue.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/23/2007 : 15:06:39 [Permalink]
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Cune, did you read this post:
Fripp asked, "So you pick and choose what you will and will not base your morals on, correct?"
Jerome responded:Correct. |
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/23/2007 : 15:11:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
I derive my moral code from the Ten Commandments, although not as religion teaches. I look to the actual meanings of the words. |
But given that they were written in Hebrew, perhaps as many as 3000 years ago, and based on even earlier legal systems, how can you possibly really know "the actual meanings of the words"?
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Definitions of words and context of words denote meaning.
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I also said the above. Having a hard time understanding what I am saying beyond what you think I think.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 06/23/2007 : 17:27:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Cune, did you read this post:
Fripp asked, "So you pick and choose what you will and will not base your morals on, correct?"
Jerome responded:Correct. |
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Yeah, I saw it. The context (you know, that thing you think is so important) was a question about why you follow the Ten Commandments, and not, for instance, the various other laws prescribed in the Hebrew Bible.
More over, as you stated here, you " I derive my moral code from the Ten Commandments" and "look to the actual meanings of the words." I and other have argued that the "actual meanings" of the words aren't what you think. This is because the Ten Commandments weren't written in English at some time in the recent past. Rather, they were in Hebrew, and have their origins in ancient cultures thousands of years old. |
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SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/23/2007 : 23:18:24 [Permalink]
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Jerome asked:
So how does this allow the raping of children?
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You said you derived your moral values from the ten commandments.
Obviously there is no prohibition against child-rape in any version of those commandments.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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Atheism and Morals
