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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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It looks like the Designer has been busy, this time with little a tiny soil mite. These things used to engage in sexual reproduction. But for the last few hundreds of millions of years, they've been, er, doing it the asexual way. But NOW, it seems that sex is back on the menu.
Gotta love that Designer!!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 06/26/2007 : 11:12:18 [Permalink]
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Interesting in that it shows that there are only a few physical constraints on evolution (don't ask me what they are; I don't know). If there is a need, it will be filled. Sometimes it will be filled even when there is no apparent need. And sometimes that filling is, well, kinda screwed up.
On the other hand, I imagine that Dembski and the Discovery? Institute may claim that the "Designer" just changed it's mind, that's all -- fool couldn't get it right the first time, huh Bill?
And on the gripping hand, Dobson & Perkins & Robertson & Bauer & all the rest of the usual suspects could and might well use it as proof that homosexuality is a choice, and as such, can be "cured."
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 06/26/2007 : 12:10:40 [Permalink]
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Filthy wrote:
And on the gripping hand, Dobson & Perkins & Robertson & Bauer & all the rest of the usual suspects could and might well use it as proof that homosexuality is a choice, and as such, can be "cured." |
Well, they can certainly point out that all of us heathens who reproduce asexually no longer have an evolutionary excuse to continue the disgusting practice,
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 06/26/2007 : 12:24:04 [Permalink]
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| Interesting in that it shows that there are only a few physical constraints on evolution (don't ask me what they are; I don't know). |
Those restrictions are of course physic-al, i.e. that bone "design" X cant hold load Y or exoskeleton A cant take pressure B. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 06/26/2007 : 13:56:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
| Interesting in that it shows that there are only a few physical constraints on evolution (don't ask me what they are; I don't know). |
Those restrictions are of course physic-al, i.e. that bone "design" X cant hold load Y or exoskeleton A cant take pressure B.
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And then, if the species survives, bone "X" becomes bone "X-2" and nicely takes up "Y's" slack. Exoskeleton "A" changes it's geometry, becoming becoming exoskeleton "A-2" and pressure "B" becomes "Piece-O'-Cake."
All it takes is a little time.....
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Hawks
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/26/2007 : 14:56:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
On the other hand, I imagine that Dembski and the Discovery? Institute may claim that the "Designer" just changed it's mind, that's all -- fool couldn't get it right the first time, huh Bill? |
I can imagine some in ID crowd going even furter and actually state that ID "theory" predicted this, because, after all, designers do these things sometimes.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/26/2007 : 18:41:18 [Permalink]
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"Camisiidae females typically lay eggs that are exact copies of themselves. Although males are born every once in a while, they are always sterile."
"So when something as complex as the ability to produce sex gametes is lost, it's likely never to be developed again. Oddly, the Camisiidae mites seem to have retained that ability,..."
Does anyone see the contradiction?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/26/2007 : 19:14:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Does anyone see the contradiction?
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What I see is a man who doesn't understand the meaning of the word "likely."
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 06/26/2007 : 19:15:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
"Camisiidae females typically lay eggs that are exact copies of themselves. Although males are born every once in a while, they are always sterile."
"So when something as complex as the ability to produce sex gametes is lost, it's likely never to be developed again. Oddly, the Camisiidae mites seem to have retained that ability,..."
Does anyone see the contradiction?
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Yes, someone must, and that someone is you, Jerome.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/26/2007 : 19:15:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Does anyone see the contradiction?
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What I see is a man who doesn't understand the meaning of the word "likely."
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No, try again.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/26/2007 : 19:17:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
"Camisiidae females typically lay eggs that are exact copies of themselves. Although males are born every once in a while, they are always sterile."
"So when something as complex as the ability to produce sex gametes is lost, it's likely never to be developed again. Oddly, the Camisiidae mites seem to have retained that ability,..."
Does anyone see the contradiction?
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Yes, someone must, and that someone is you, Jerome.
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There really is one; it could just be a mistake of wording but its there.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Ricky
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/26/2007 : 20:40:04 [Permalink]
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Ricky, the article states that the "sex gametes is lost", while also giving examples of males being born.
Both can not be true. Males have always been there. Just because we have only just observed sexual behavior certainly does not mean it has not happen. It would be rare to see it as males are rarely born.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/26/2007 : 20:41:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Jerome, you are already annoying enough. Do you really have to have us play this dumb ass guessing game? If you have a point, say it. I'm sorry if you weren't aware of this, but I (and I believe everyone else here) am not amused by this.
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I noticed you guess was wrong, and you deleted it.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/26/2007 : 22:42:34 [Permalink]
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Jerome said:
Ricky, the article states that the "sex gametes is lost", while also giving examples of males being born.
Both can not be true. |
You would really not harm yourself if you bothered to look up the definition of terms before you make yourself look like a complete idiot, Jerome.
gamete:
| a mature germ cell (as a sperm or egg) possessing a haploid chromosome set and capable of initiating formation of a new individual by fusion with another gamete |
And to correct your misquote of the article:
So when something as complex as the ability to produce sex gametes is lost, it's likely never to be developed again. Oddly, the Camisiidae mites seem to have retained that ability, despite surviving millions of years without using it.
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A gamete is produced by meiosis. You apparently do not know the difference between a gamete and a sex chromosome.
Surely you are aware that in some species there is no male sex chromosome? (in grasshoppers, for example, XX is female, XO is male. O indicating no chromosome)
The absence of gamete production does not mean the same thing as the absence of sex chromosomes. So much for your contradiction.
This is an interesting case of atavism, nothing more.
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Designer Tinkers with Mites
