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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 09:46:09 [Permalink]
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Jerome many spy pictures are taken near the ground for high resolution. Such was the case in the Cuban Missle Crisis where they had to fly at 200 feet to get pictures good enough to convince the U.N. of missle installation.
A far cry from a picture from space. |
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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Chippewa
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 Posted - 07/13/2007 : 09:58:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by JEROME DA TROLL
What technology are we currently using to replace the retired blackbirds ability to read newsprint?
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Good point - spy planes are designed for topographic reconnaissance. Newspapers are read by researchers and spies sitting in office cubicles working for various intelligence gathering agencies around the world, and collected into reports and files. Two different types of intelligence.
Its easier to simply read newsprint and gather intelligence after buying a local foreign paper on the ground (or via the internet) than trying to reading it over someone's shoulder from very high altitude, (while missing the image of the foreign country's new fighter plane that's just been rolled out on the tarmac.) 
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 07/13/2007 : 21:05:31 [Permalink]
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The ability does not mean it was designed for the specific reason.
Shall we count how many think that they were brillent to come up with this argument?
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 21:10:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Jerome many spy pictures are taken near the ground for high resolution. Such was the case in the Cuban Missle Crisis where they had to fly at 200 feet to get pictures good enough to convince the U.N. of missle installation.
A far cry from a picture from space.
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Really, the plane would have hit a 20 story building?
Any evidence?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 21:36:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Jerome many spy pictures are taken near the ground for high resolution. Such was the case in the Cuban Missle Crisis where they had to fly at 200 feet to get pictures good enough to convince the U.N. of missle installation.
A far cry from a picture from space.
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Really, the plane would have hit a 20 story building?
Any evidence?
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First, let's see evidence that spy satellites can read newsprint. That claim is the resident elephant in the room right now.
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Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 21:44:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
First, let's see evidence that spy satellites can read newsprint. That claim is the resident elephant in the room right now.
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No evidence; sorry, it is currently classified.
All I can relate is published data that commercial satellites can resolve 16". If you believe this is the extent of technology that is up to you.
Based on your thinking the stealth fighter F-117 and stealth bomber B-2 did not exist until the first gulf war.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 22:12:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
No evidence; sorry, it is currently classified. |
Bwahahaha! You don't even have any evidence that there exists classified evidence.| All I can relate is published data that commercial satellites can resolve 16". If you believe this is the extent of technology that is up to you. |
Actually, we just all did the math and found that Hubble could, if given the right filters, resolve 11.2", but that's hardly stealthy. I accidentally saw it one night while walking my dog.| Based on your thinking the stealth fighter F-117 and stealth bomber B-2 did not exist until the first gulf war. |
Neither the F-117 nor the B-2 violated any laws of physics, and the basic stealth technologies they use had been discussed for decades before the Gulf War. A newspaper-reading satellite that's invisible to all telescopes does violate the laws of physics, and so there's no known technology to make it work. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 22:19:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
A newspaper-reading satellite that's invisible to all telescopes does violate the laws of physics, and so there's no known technology to make it work.
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Who said the satellite needed to be invisible from any telescopes?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 22:40:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Who said the satellite needed to be invisible from any telescopes? |
Everyone would know it exists already - classified or not - if it were in orbit and visible. I don't think you understand just how big it would have to be. 23 times the size of the International Space Station. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 23:18:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Everyone would know it exists already - classified or not - if it were in orbit and visible. I don't think you understand just how big it would have to be. 23 times the size of the International Space Station.
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According to current publicly know technology, I agree.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 23:55:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
According to current publicly know technology, I agree. |
What technology might exist which violates the laws of physics, Jerome? |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/14/2007 : 00:16:17 [Permalink]
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Area 51 technology Dave, from when the aliens were shot down by the Tesla Death Ray, and we have been reverse engineering their technology for 50 years now.
Or maybe it was Megatron and the Energon Cube that we discovered and reverse engineered our technology from... still, Megatron is technically an alien, just a giant angry robot alien.
Or maybe area 51 is filled with thousands of christian fundamentalists (like jerome) who PRAY all our advanced technology into existence, and only let the evil government have the really good stuff!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 07/14/2007 : 03:02:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The blackbird could fly as high as 15 miles.
Satellites can orbit as low as 124 miles.
The difference is only about eight times.
The need for a monster telescope does not seem true.
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Where exactly did you get this ridiculous idea? Birds flying at 79,200 feet altitude? Pul-lease.... 
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2007 : 04:36:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by HalfMooner
First, let's see evidence that spy satellites can read newsprint. That claim is the resident elephant in the room right now.
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No evidence; sorry, it is currently classified.
All I can relate is published data that commercial satellites can resolve 16". If you believe this is the extent of technology that is up to you. |
Okay, then you withdraw that silly claim. Good!
| Based on your thinking the stealth fighter F-117 and stealth bomber B-2 did not exist until the first gulf war. |
What??? Did I arrive too late to be able to follow the conversation at the Mad Tea Party?
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2007 : 04:40:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The blackbird could fly as high as 15 miles.
Satellites can orbit as low as 124 miles.
The difference is only about eight times.
The need for a monster telescope does not seem true.
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Where exactly did you get this ridiculous idea? Birds flying at 79,200 feet altitude? Pul-lease....
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That's the Greater Rocket Crow, Fil. You herps may be knowledgeable in your little field, but you need to talk to a birder before shooting off your mouths about avians.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
| Edited by - HalfMooner on 07/14/2007 04:42:12 |
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