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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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 Posted - 07/11/2007 : 05:02:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Pleco said:
If these people had courage while they were relevant, what a different world we may be living in... |
What are you going to say when Hillary invades Iran?
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What makes you think she would order an invasion of Iran?
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 05:06:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Pleco said:
If these people had courage while they were relevant, what a different world we may be living in... |
What are you going to say when Hillary invades Iran?
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What makes you think she would order an invasion of Iran?
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Ugh. Mab, don't encourage him! Haven't you seen his pattern by now?!? He does it all the time. In the middle of a conversation, he'll throw out some utterly absurd comment that is only tangentially on topic. The hope is that we'll all leap into the fray to call him on his comment. He'll spend 4 pages dodging and moving the goal posts before moving on to another utterly absurd argument. He does it in chat, too. So just ignore these sorts of things from him!! |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 07:11:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Pleco said:
If these people had courage while they were relevant, what a different world we may be living in... |
What are you going to say when Hillary invades Iran?
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What makes you think she would order an invasion of Iran?
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This has been the plan since the late 90's. She will not waver.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 07:15:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Ugh. Mab, don't encourage him! Haven't you seen his pattern by now?!? He does it all the time. In the middle of a conversation, he'll throw out some utterly absurd comment that is only tangentially on topic. The hope is that we'll all leap into the fray to call him on his comment. He'll spend 4 pages dodging and moving the goal posts before moving on to another utterly absurd argument. He does it in chat, too. So just ignore these sorts of things from him!!
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Ba Humbug!
Seriously, just because the answers I give need thought and can not be countered by rote response, does not mean I am dodging.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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moakley
SFN Regular
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 07:33:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Ba Humbug!
Seriously, just because the answers I give need thought and can not be countered by rote response, does not mean I am dodging.
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You are becoming a little too full of yourself. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 07:42:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Ba Humbug!
Seriously, just because the answers I give need thought and can not be countered by rote response, does not mean I am dodging.
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You are becoming a little too full of yourself.
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Not "becoming"; this is nothing new.
The facts do remain the same. My answers generally do not conform to previous talks with people other than I; as such the rote arguments are only tangents to my statements which causes accusations of goal post moving and dodging.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 08:42:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Ba Humbug!
Seriously, just because the answers I give need thought and can not be countered by rote response, does not mean I am dodging. |
Wow. So my replies-- that I often take significant time to research and craft-- are "rote"? Well, I guess I won't bother responding to any more of your posts, then. Why bother writing if that's your attitude? |
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pleco
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 08:51:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
You do realize that the president is the commander and chief of all branches of the military in America. He is their boss until they retire. I'm not so sure they could say anything publicly in opposition to the president. At least, not without breaking some ethical code, if not a legal code of conduct.
I'm not defending Carmona, by the way. He should have resigned his post when he saw what his job really was…
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I do realize that. However, at what point does a general resign and start speaking out? After their term is over and their are no negative repercussions? How many lives (and not just Americans) have to be wasted? Which is more ethical?
Some thorny issues there, for sure, but I still think that something more should have been done short of a coup.
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pleco
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USA
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 08:54:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
What are you going to say when Hillary invades Iran? |
Who give a flying fuck about Hillary? That is not the topic we are discussing, so quit trying to drag this thread into the shit that you always try to do.
You want to talk about Hillary and Iran? Start a new thread.  Otherwise, discuss the issue at hand. |
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leoofno
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 08:54:37 [Permalink]
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| Ah, Geez. Can't y'all just listen to Cune and ignore this guy? This thread was somewhat interesting, now its turning into just another "The Gnome Show". |
"If you're not terrified, you're not paying attention." Eric Alterman
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pleco
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Ricky
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Chippewa
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 11:41:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by leoofno
Ah, Geez. Can't y'all just listen to Cune and ignore this guy? This thread was somewhat interesting, now its turning into just another "The Gnome Show".
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 13:30:35 [Permalink]
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Kil said:
You do realize that the president is the commander and chief of all branches of the military in America. He is their boss until they retire. I'm not so sure they could say anything publicly in opposition to the president. At least, not without breaking some ethical code, if not a legal code of conduct.
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The UCMJ makes contemptuous speech against the president (or other civilian elected officials) a crime. But it does not prevent you from speaking up and disagreeing. You just have to do it civilly.
You can't refuse a direct order either, but that only covers legal orders. Being ordered to intentionally lie to people from a position of authority can't be considered a legal order.
No... these people are simply cowards who lack the moral fortitude to speak up against wrongdoing when there could be adverse consequences for them to face.
FFS, even if it were a criminal act, it would still be the right thing to do to speak out about being instructed to deliberately lie to the American people.
These scumbags just wanted to protect their retirement status and the potential for consulting jobs.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 07/11/2007 : 13:53:11 [Permalink]
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A few dulcet words from the Rude Pundit: 7/11/2007
24 Hours of American Liars:
Here's what we've learned in the last 24 hours or so, none of it terribly surprising in and of each separate thing, but in the aggregate, quite, umm, bowel-releasing frightening. We've learned there's different kinds of lies:
Lies of Omission - The Surgeon General of the United States was ordered by the White House to lie to America about everything related to, you know, health. When Richard H. Carmona was the Surgeon General from 2002-2006, Carmona wasn't allowed "to speak or issue reports about stem cells, emergency contraception, sex education, or prison, mental and global health issues" and to water down a report on secondhand smoke (something he actually resisted). He was discouraged from attending the Special Olympics, for chrissake, because of Ted Kennedy's involvement in it. Also (and this is the Rude Pundit's favorite part), Carmona "was ordered to mention President Bush three times on every page of his speeches." Apparently, George W. Bush is such a needy little bitch that he gots to get his props whenever he can force people to do it.
Let's not give too much credit to Carmona here. He was a complicit pussy for four years. Someone who cared less about his own hide would've said, "Kiss my Vietnam vet ass, Karl Rove," and spoken for science, and not the World According To Bush. Fired or quitting after that, at least he'd have some self-respect and not be like every other career-fearing demi-loyalist who stayed in the administration because - why? Because they thought they could do good? Or because they feared getting Paul O'Neilled? Shit, C. Everett Koop finally told Ronald Reagan to suck his Amish beard and sent out the HIV/AIDS pamphlet to every household in America. Yeah, it was a few years too late, but at least Koop decided not to be a liar.
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Fuck Bush & Cheney & the rest & all that the slimey pigfuckers stand for.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
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Former Bush surgeon general says he was muzzled
