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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 12:56:54 [Permalink]
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Moakley.....
But did you like the beer?
Would but that I could recruit such a contentious bunch to do any work! They have certainly given me what I was looking for, though. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 13:20:45 [Permalink]
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Kil.....
Thanks for your last post. I hope you understand I am not making any claims nor positing any facts regarding UFOs. I am examining the perception of UFOs.
I appreciate the simplicity of "I don't know" or even "I don't care"
as compared to the bombastic bloviation of some of the folks that live in this strange universe. Thank you for the straight talk.
As to the "misanthropic" remark, certainly - living with these folks -you must occasionally rebuke Wedgie and Raccoon Guy for lousy manners, thin skins, and an absolute lack of any sense of humor... although that avatar IS pretty furry. Maybe it is a porcupine.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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 Posted - 08/07/2007 : 14:11:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
As to the "misanthropic" remark, certainly - living with these folks -you must occasionally rebuke Wedgie and Raccoon Guy for lousy manners, thin skins, and an absolute lack of any sense of humor... although that avatar IS pretty furry. Maybe it is a porcupine. |
Wow-- you're a real jerk! Re-read my first post. I very politely-- and indeed, quite sincerely-- asked if,| [p]erhaps to help us out, you might reference some such incidents? I personally am unaware of a UFO being "reported" by groups of "professional military or police" or "sightings verified by multiple radar trackings." I'd be interested to read of news or official accounts of such things and give you my opinion, however. |
Your best reply was a rather rude request for me to search for a few hours to find examples so that I might be able to better answer your question.
I seriously doubt anyone would interpret my post or attitude as being "misanthropic" (indeed, your use of the term in this context is clearly out of place), and I have a hard time in thinking that any reasonable person would even consider my request as an example of "lousy manners."
In any case, I anxiously await your no doubt well-researched book on UFOs and their perception. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 08/07/2007 : 14:17:03 [Permalink]
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Lessee, is the thread still under 50 posts? Yes, I see that it is. I've won a bet!
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 15:01:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
GeeMack.....
Gee, mac, I must have upset you. Perhaps I can either exacerbate your distress or mollify it by parsing your little ad hominen diatribe. It really doesn't matter which one.
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Reading this far, I cannot see any ad hominem on GeeMack's part.
It seems to me that either I've missed it, in which case I ask you to point them out, or maybe you have misunderstood what an ad hominem really is.
As to your original quest:
I know of two similar events where there has been many people reporting seeing the same thing, and reporting it as a UFO. I don't know if the descriptions of the many different people have been the same, or how much their stories have differed. But in both cases, an investigation explained the reality as flying objects, though unusual, of man made origin.
I think Halfmooner has a point though, that the historical, social, and religious settings and backrounds of the observers with have a huge impact on the commonality of the "mass" reports. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 16:43:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
1.I opened the thread with a very specific request for opinion
on the UFO phenomenon-not opinions on specific instances
of UFO activity. |
I know I'm late to this party, but the problem, it seems to me, was with your question. The obvious answer within the context you provided was the one that Kil and Dude provided: regardless of apparent credibility, if people claim to have seen something that they cannot identify, why not take them at their word? If they meant to say that they saw an extraterrestrial spaceship, that's a whole different kettle of fish.
So, obvious answer. Boring answer. What's interesting is the claim within your question, that there is a "small but significant number of highly documented sightings of UFO aerial phenomena reported by large groups of ordinary people..." (etc). Whether your intent was to focus on those or not, using them as a premise for your question opens the subject to relevant inquiry.
Plus, your claim implies that you know of events which meet such criteria already. Refusing to post even a single reference, and instead directing questioners to perform hours of Googling, is utterly obnoxious. Offering up a specific tree or two, but reiterating that you're interested in the forest only, would have been understood and even appreciated.| I try only to insult those who insult me. |
You failed to live to that standard with your "misanthropic rants" comment, which was so vague as to indict the entire member base here.| ...I have nothing to apologize for... |
Really? |
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marty
BANNED
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 17:09:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Lessee, is the thread still under 50 posts? Yes, I see that it is. I've won a bet!
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What was the bet for and with whom?
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 17:10:28 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse.....
With respect to my comment regarding GeeMack's ad hominem diatribe.
EXACT QUOTES
1. "what's to like?" (in bngbuck)
2. (bngbuck) "deals with people in a pretty shitty way"
3. "and you like this bngbuck guy?" (In sarcastic inflection)
4. "he's a lousy communicator" Lousy?
5. "he gets all smarmy..." Smarmy?
6. "he's apparently lazy" Lazy?
You don't feel that these are comments on my character, appealing to feelings or prejudices, rather than intellect? This is the dictionary definition of ad hominem.
"I don't like him. He deals with people in a pretty shitty way. And you like him? (sarcasm) He's a lousy communicator, he's smarmy and lazy."
With respect to the rest of your post, this is a prototypical example of the the type of UFO event that I have totally excluded from the group of "filtered" events I referred to in the original post. The fact was that the event was investigated and was fully explained. No longer UFOs, rather Explained Flying Objects.I am not concerned with perception of EFOs.
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 17:14:07 [Permalink]
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Dave W......
Really!! |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 17:24:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
You don't feel that these are comments on my character, appealing to feelings or prejudices, rather than intellect? This is the dictionary definition of ad hominem. |
By that definition, then this comment was ad hominem, also:Originally posted by On fire for Christ
lol, I like this bngbuck guy |
But you're not suggesting that you upset him, are you? And since that's the comment to which Geemack was responding, the idea that he could possibly have avoided a discussion of feelings (aside from not replying at all) is ridiculous.
Besides, "ad hominem diatribe" in this case is just a few ten-cent words for "lot of insults." You certainly didn't mean that GeeMack was making an ad hominem argument (appealing to feelings or prejudice rather than intellect while attempting to defend a logical proposition), because GeeMack wasn't doing so. He wasn't saying that because you're rude and lazy, you must be wrong. That would have been a classic ad hominem argument. I find it pretentious when people use ad hominem when they really mean "insult" or "personal attack," even more pretentious than correctly putting ad hominem in italics. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 17:27:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Dave W......
Really!! |
Will you respond to the substantive portions of my post, or must I be satisfied with your insistence that you feel no need to apologize for insulting everyone who has ever posted anything that could be called a "rant" here on these forums? |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 18:03:01 [Permalink]
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Valiant Dancer......
Exactly what claims have I made? That there is an abundance of material of the type that I have described on the Internet and elsewhere? Guilty. What is the burden of proof? To iterate a certain number of EXAMPLES until someone says "stop"? TO WHAT END? I have no vested interest in the truth or falsity of the reports themselves, so I'm not interested in whether anybody looks to see if they are there or what they say. Why would I make up the statement that there were lots of unexplained UFO stories on the Internet? Anyone can verify that, as I clearly stated.
Your thinking is so ground into a rut of debunking UFO stories that you cannot understand what I am clearly stating. I am interested in the process of perception of UFO phenomena. If you will go back and read Wrong Way's post, it may help. He has it mostly right.
and here, endeth the lesson! |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 18:09:55 [Permalink]
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Ricky posted on 8/6/07 at 22:36
I do not see bngbuck attempting to claim that UFOs exist, that is, convince us of their extraterrestrial origin. Instead, I see him trying to get our perspective on what is the cause behind UFO sightings, specifically ones where multiple observers agree on what they saw. If this is the case, then I would request that people stop asking him to back up his non-existent claims. If it is not, could you point out where I overlooked?
Ricky pretty much has it right! Can anyone answer his question?
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marty
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 18:12:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Besides, "ad hominem diatribe" in this case is just a few ten-cent words for "lot of insults." You certainly didn't mean that GeeMack was making an ad hominem argument (appealing to feelings or prejudice rather than intellect while attempting to defend a logical proposition), because GeeMack wasn't doing so. He wasn't saying that because you're rude and lazy, you must be wrong. That would have been a classic ad hominem argument. I find it pretentious when people use ad hominem when they really mean "insult" or "personal attack," even more pretentious than correctly putting ad hominem in italics.
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This is why your forum lacks critical thinking and encourages this sort of behavior. Your words are a projection of self. Others tend to follow suit.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 18:14:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marty
Originally posted by Dave W.
Besides, "ad hominem diatribe" in this case is just a few ten-cent words for "lot of insults." You certainly didn't mean that GeeMack was making an ad hominem argument (appealing to feelings or prejudice rather than intellect while attempting to defend a logical proposition), because GeeMack wasn't doing so. He wasn't saying that because you're rude and lazy, you must be wrong. That would have been a classic ad hominem argument. I find it pretentious when people use ad hominem when they really mean "insult" or "personal attack," even more pretentious than correctly putting ad hominem in italics.
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This is why your forum lacks critical thinking and encourages this sort of behavior. Your words are a projection of self. Others tend to follow suit.
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What a load of hypocritical crap.
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