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marty
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 Posted - 08/08/2007 : 18:12:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by bngbuck
I am writing a book. My current attention is on the Skeptics subdivision of the Percepton of UFO Phenomena chapter. |
And also...
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So I'm still unclear. Is your chapter about visual perception as it relates to the UFO phenomenon? Or are you just trying to get a sense of skeptics' views on the topic of UFOs in general?
Marty just about had me convinced you were talking about the former, but now I think you mean the later. The word perception is really confusing things for me.
So, bngbuck, with less asides and attempts at quasi-humorous observations, what exactly is your question in the plainest language you can muster?
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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 18:21:38 [Permalink]
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H. Humbert (Sorry I stepped on your toes regarding Lolita).....
However, someone called you Hubert.....
This is the most quasi-plain language that I can muster.....
(1.) Both.(The two are not mutually exclusive)
(2.) What is your opinion (or view) of the UFO phenomenon?
Perhaps you could re-read my recent post to Cuneiformist?
P.S. To Snipe-counters.
This post may count as a dreaded Snipe, but it is the most accurate answer to Humbert's two questions that I am capable of.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 18:32:00 [Permalink]
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 Thanks for the link, Marty, but I'm already aware that words can have more than one definition, thus my asking for clarification.
And once again, way to act like a smug ass without adding anything substantial to this conversation whatsoever. Your content-free posts are becoming amusing if only because of the sheer consistency with which you churn them out. One would think that eventually you would have to slip up and utter something meaningful.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 18:39:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
I tried an identical approach in Marilyn Vos Savant's discussion forum (much smaller) and got a markedly different reaction. |
Baloney. In that forum, as soon as someone misinterpreted your meaning, you patiently explained what you wanted and why. Not only that, but you asked a different question:I would greatly appreciate the views of any Forum reader concerning their opinion of the validity or falsehood of the small percentage of all UFO sightings that have extraordinary documentation... Over there, you're clearly interested in whether people think that the "mass sightings" are valid or not. While here, the impression I got was that you wanted to know our opinion about the people making the reports. You made excellent and detailed posts over there explaining what you wanted, because two whole people were interested. You failed to do so here, despite a larger audience, some of whom were clearly making the same misinterpretations of your intent. |
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marty
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 19:09:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by bngbuck
I tried an identical approach in Marilyn Vos Savant's discussion forum (much smaller) and got a markedly different reaction. |
Baloney. In that forum, as soon as someone misinterpreted your meaning, you patiently explained what you wanted and why. Not only that, but you asked a different question:I would greatly appreciate the views of any Forum reader concerning their opinion of the validity or falsehood of the small percentage of all UFO sightings that have extraordinary documentation... Over there, you're clearly interested in whether people think that the "mass sightings" are valid or not. While here, the impression I got was that you wanted to know our opinion about the people making the reports. You made excellent and detailed posts over there explaining what you wanted, because two whole people were interested. You failed to do so here, despite a larger audience, some of whom were clearly making the same misinterpretations of your intent.
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Have you thought to consider this forums responses in contrast to the other forums responses?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 19:24:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marty
Have you thought to consider this forums responses in contrast to the other forums responses? |
I thought I already had. Do you need this spelled out for you? Over in Marilyn's forum, bngbuck wasn't rude and dismissive towards his respondents like he was here. The old saying, "you get what you give," certainly seems to be holding true in both forums, because despite your attempt at rewriting history, nobody here was rude to bngbuck until he started being smarmy and smug. |
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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 19:33:55 [Permalink]
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Cuneiformist.....
Well, I'm making progress. Maybe Google will have a record night tonight. (In the event that you don't know I'm kidding, I'm kidding)
I phrased the question specifically so as to not redirect my readers to the paragraph that preceded it. I received an excellent cross-section of an unfortunately small universe, but if you will look at the initial responses to the initial question, you will see the diversity of response:
Halfmoon - onpoint
Kil - good questions
Humbert - good questions and good material
GeeMack - excellent discourse on magic. Useful later in book.
Cuneiform - asks for examples, sets the stage for others
Halfmoon - gives warning, shows sense of humor
Moakley - comment on other phenom - useful, not direct
Kil - excellent skeptics answer - to the point
Cuneiform - sarcasm, begins the attack
Kil - references a useful essay
GeeMack -follows up with demand for data, my responsibity
Ricky - reference Carl Sagan. Good post
Valiant Dancer - states the Laws of Skepticism
HalfMoon - Agrees, shows I'm being ambushed
GeeMack - sets me right on Magic (his expertise)
GeeMack -criticizes "vindication" (Misses the humor)
Ricky - First poster to understand my intent
Ghost - supplies valuable material
That's two pages of posts, and by now I have enough to go home and write a lot - both on my subject matter and on my Encounters of Some Kind with Skeptics.
From there on it remains lively, but largely livid. As I said, I stayed around for the show.
I wanted what The Skeptics would volunteer to a very general question, and the manner in which they would offer it. I think the response was excellent. My god (sorry) man, I'm writing a book; not trying to win brownie points in a debate. And I suppose that makes me some sort of interloper in your Forum, but I didn't read any Necessary Qualifications to become a member. And it's running about seventy posts now, so somebody's having some fun!
I've beat a lot of dead horses to hamburger, but this will start to become ridiculous at some point..... |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 19:39:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
My god (sorry) man, I'm writing a book; not trying to win brownie points in a debate. And I suppose that makes me some sort of interloper in your Forum, but I didn't read any Necessary Qualifications to become a member. |
79 years old and still doesn't understand "when in Rome, do as the Romans do." |
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marty
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 19:43:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Cuneiformist.....
Well, I'm making progress. Maybe Google will have a record night tonight. (In the event that you don't know I'm kidding, I'm kidding)
I phrased the question specifically so as to not redirect my readers to the paragraph that preceded it. I received an excellent cross-section of an unfortunately small universe, but if you will look at the initial responses to the initial question, you will see the diversity of response:
Halfmoon - onpoint
Kil - good questions
Humbert - good questions and good material
GeeMack - excellent discourse on magic. Useful later in book.
Cuneiform - asks for examples, sets the stage for others
Halfmoon - gives warning, shows sense of humor
Moakley - comment on other phenom - useful, not direct
Kil - excellent skeptics answer - to the point
Cuneiform - sarcasm, begins the attack
Kil - references a useful essay
GeeMack -follows up with demand for data, my responsibity
Ricky - reference Carl Sagan. Good post
Valiant Dancer - states the Laws of Skepticism
HalfMoon - Agrees, shows I'm being ambushed
GeeMack - sets me right on Magic (his expertise)
GeeMack -criticizes "vindication" (Misses the humor)
Ricky - First poster to understand my intent
Ghost - supplies valuable material
That's two pages of posts, and by now I have enough to go home and write a lot - both on my subject matter and on my Encounters of Some Kind with Skeptics.
From there on it remains lively, but largely livid. As I said, I stayed around for the show.
I wanted what The Skeptics would volunteer to a very general question, and the manner in which they would offer it. I think the response was excellent. My god (sorry) man, I'm writing a book; not trying to win brownie points in a debate. And I suppose that makes me some sort of interloper in your Forum, but I didn't read any Necessary Qualifications to become a member. And it's running about seventy posts now, so somebody's having some fun!
I've beat a lot of dead horses to hamburger, but this will start to become ridiculous at some point.....
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Your dissection is illuminating, please continue.
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moakley
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 19:55:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
I've beat a lot of dead horses to hamburger, but this will start to become ridiculous at some point.....
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I'm starting to miss you already. 
But really. The only reason for following up on this thread was to point out the Junior Skeptic sections of two recent additions of Skeptic Magazine. Vol 12 No 3 & 4. Dealing with Aliens and Alien Abductions. Never bothered to check whether it is available on line, but I'm sure that if you google it ... |
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 20:14:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Cuneiformist.....
Well, I'm making progress. Maybe Google will have a record night tonight. (In the event that you don't know I'm kidding, I'm kidding)
I phrased the question specifically so as to not redirect my readers to the paragraph that preceded it. I received an excellent cross-section of an unfortunately small universe, but if you will look at the initial responses to the initial question, you will see the diversity of response: |
It's sad that you've put our replies in a vacuum, as though we were all replying unprovoked, and your own rather rude replies played no role in any of this. |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 20:45:53 [Permalink]
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bngbuckwrote: Halfmoon - onpoint
Kil - good questions
Humbert - good questions and good material
GeeMack - excellent discourse on magic. Useful later in book.
Cuneiform - asks for examples, sets the stage for others
Halfmoon - gives warning, shows sense of humor
Moakley - comment on other phenom - useful, not direct
Kil - excellent skeptics answer - to the point
Cuneiform - sarcasm, begins the attack
Kil - references a useful essay
GeeMack -follows up with demand for data, my responsibity
Ricky - reference Carl Sagan. Good post
Valiant Dancer - states the Laws of Skepticism
HalfMoon - Agrees, shows I'm being ambushed
GeeMack - sets me right on Magic (his expertise)
GeeMack -criticizes "vindication" (Misses the humor)
Ricky - First poster to understand my intent
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BTW, despite what he thinks, I never "agreed" bngbuck was bring ambushed.
The "halfmoon gives warning" post was intended entirely as humor. I have no idea what he's referring to to when he later claims "Halfmoon - agrees, shows I'm being ambushed."
Like most posters in this tread, I began by welcoming bngbuck, then became progressively more irritated with his childish, baiting attacks on people, and his refusal to tell us WTF he was talking about. So, please don't consider me a supporter, bngbuck.
If you tried that as a trick to divide people in these fora, you should be aware that nobody here takes me seriously, so the joke's on you.
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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 21:15:40 [Permalink]
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Boron 10.....
If I didn't know what a piano was, I would certainly follow your advice to go looking for one. If I did know what a piano was, I would not ask you for examples, I would answer your question by giving you my opinion of pianos!
I am not offended that you asked for examples, rather by the (skeptic word) rude manner in which you asked. I am not very concerned with rudeness on my part or others, although it usually deserves return in kind. I have attempted to do that. I certainly do not think that science is offensive, I am a scientist, currently writing.
So far, I am the first one.
To whomever the pot belongs, currently, your forum. Possibly others.
I appreciate your not whacking this mole, and as I have said many times in the past few days, my understanding has been greatly enhanced by this experience. |
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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 21:51:06 [Permalink]
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Dave W......
A funny thing happened on the way to the Forum. I realized I didn't care what the Romans do. |
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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 00:06:15 [Permalink]
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HalfMooner.....
In your third post you agreed with Valiant Dancer, who appears to be the Chief Judgmentor of the Supreme Court of Skepticism.
You also advised me to "prepare to be annihilated" . I took that as a further warning about the "bastards" planning an ambush.
Thank you for your childish, baiting post, and I will not count on you as a supporter in the coming Armageddon.
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