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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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 Posted - 08/21/2007 : 21:59:15
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There are plenty of civil liberties issues with mandatory drug testing programs. But, I think, there's no such issue with this drug testing program, even though it can test millions of people at once. Kinda cool, actually: | "It's a community urinalysis," said Caleb Banta-Green, a University of Washington drug abuse researcher who was part of the Oregon State team. The scientists presented their results Tuesday at a meeting of the American Chemical Society in Boston. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
 Posted - 08/22/2007 : 06:39:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
There are plenty of civil liberties issues with mandatory drug testing programs. But, I think, there's no such issue with this drug testing program, even though it can test millions of people at once. Kinda cool, actually: | "It's a community urinalysis," said Caleb Banta-Green, a University of Washington drug abuse researcher who was part of the Oregon State team. The scientists presented their results Tuesday at a meeting of the American Chemical Society in Boston. |
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Where does Rush Limbaugh live? Ft. Lauderdale, FL, isn't it? Boy-howdy, wait 'till they test that one!
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 07:39:13 [Permalink]
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That's a good 'un, Fil!
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 08:22:03 [Permalink]
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| The test wouldn't be used to finger any single person as a drug user. But it would help federal law enforcement and other agencies track the spread of dangerous drugs, like methamphetamines, across the country. |
Oh greeeaaaat. More ways to waste tax payers' money on this insane and useless drug war. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 08:24:12 [Permalink]
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| See, this is the sort of stupid shit law enforcement have to resort to when we have Schedule 1 (banned) drugs. If they were schedule 2, we'd have more a grey market than a black market, and the law enforcement would be tracking the illegally marketed drugs from the top down, not bottom up, leading to more arrests of people who are actually important to the drug trade, opposed to impoverished and desperate nobodies. |
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Original_Intent
SFN Regular
USA
609 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 19:10:07 [Permalink]
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| Why the hell is the EPA involved? Studying the effects of chronic drug use by the surrounding fauna? |
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Yojimbo99
New Member
USA
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Posted - 08/23/2007 : 12:24:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
| The test wouldn't be used to finger any single person as a drug user. But it would help federal law enforcement and other agencies track the spread of dangerous drugs, like methamphetamines, across the country. |
Oh greeeaaaat. More ways to waste tax payers' money on this insane and useless drug war.
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My thoughts exactly, as images of the wasteful HIDTA( you know, these tools http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/hidta/overview.html ) program and the local law enforcement fighting over who has the most pot in thier piss to keep thier own local coffers filled.
It will not be so much a waste of money as it will be a means to find more ways to waste money. |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
1266 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 15:54:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
| Field said researchers can't calculate how many people in a town are using drugs. |
I was about to defend such tests, but then I stumbled upon the above line. It would be a great way to produce statistics for sociological studies if you could find out how many people were doing what. But since you can't, I see to point to this as well. |
Yes, but you should still be able to figure out an approximation of per capita drug use. We can't calculate the number of people using drugs because that information cannot be drawn solely from a concentration value in waste water.
Of course my quick review of this program could be inadequate, rendering my impression horribly wrong. |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
1266 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 19:26:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
If we did know the approximation per capita, X, wouldn't it just be X * capita that gives you the number of people using drugs? |
No, because they would still need to know two things:
1) How much is each person using?
2) Are the waste products coming from manufacture or use?
Point (2) is more significant, I would guess.
Also, please note there is a difference between approximation per capita, and actual use. That is, if a city with 100,000 people uses 60,000 ounces of marijuana per year, you could say the approximation per capita is 0.6 ounces per year. You cannot, however, infer that 10% of the population smokes weed. For all we know, there are only 1,000 heavy pot smokers.
Once again, I could be completely mistaken about the method of this testing .... |
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Ghost_Skeptic
SFN Regular
Canada
510 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 19:36:03 [Permalink]
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If illegal drug users were more likely to piss on the ground than non-users (I suspect this would be the case), the results would be skewed in the direction of underestimating illicit drug use.
I would like to see them do this in Canada - I am curious as to how boomtowns like Calgary and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_McMurray%2C_Alberta would compare to other cites.
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Testing for drugs, a whole city at a time
