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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 09/05/2007 : 17:59:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
JDG said:
I am with you, I have perceived him as a loser ever since seeing this movie. It has spoiled any other movies I have seen this actor in.
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Ahhh.... a peek inside the head of our resident troll... and it reveals an inability to seperate fantasy from reality.
How unsuprising.
He is a man playing a role in a science fiction movie Jerome. An actor, being paid to play a part.
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Have you never associated an actor with a character?
There are many actors that can not move beyond a particular role. This is not news nor incite into my psychology.
Mark Hamill, and Harrison Ford are two examples of opposites in this regard.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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2418 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2007 : 18:01:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
Keanu Reeves will always be Neo to me.
Always.
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I see this:
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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perrodetokio
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/18/2007 : 10:42:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
Originally posted by perrodetokio
What you are addressing is exactly what I loved about the film. And itīs a pitty that Spielberg got so family friendly over time that heīll never do such a movie again.
Thatīs what a hero in any story does (not a hero in the "Rambo" sense). He chooses to act despite the consequences. Itīs a great movie with a great story.
Cheers!
perro de tokio
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But are you sure he chose to go? Seems like the aliens infected his mind in some way with an obsessive compulsion. Is that free will?
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Perhaps he didnīt choose and as you sugest, heīs infected with an obsessive compulsion.
Even if I take it like that it just adds more drama to it.
And: Why does the main character in a story have to be a goody-good-gooder who never makes mistakes? Real life people arenīt like that and even in SF or Fantasy films it makes the ficticious universe created by the author more solid and easier for the audience to forget this universeīs laws in order to accept the described one in the work being enjoyed.
Cheers
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"Yes I have a belief in a creator/God but do not know that he exists." Bill Scott
"They are still mosquitoes! They did not turn into whales or lizards or anything else. They are still mosquitoes!..." Bill Scott
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 09/18/2007 : 17:35:23 [Permalink]
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I thought that the Dreyfus character's obsession was dramatically highlighted by his sudden, apparently out-of-character neglect of his family. People weren't supposed to sympathize with his neglect, but see his obsession, and wonder about it. The obsession was an imperative. It wasn't his choice. Nobody could resist the imperative. That was the whole point of showing Dreyfus' familial neglect. Emotionally, this plot device made the whole first part of the movie work.
Of course, and you weren't supposed to stop and consider this part, planting such an imperative obsession in many citizens' brains was hardly a friendly, or even peaceful, act by the aliens. Nor was their abduction of people for decades.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/18/2007 : 18:16:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
I thought that the Dreyfus character's obsession was dramatically highlighted by his sudden, apparently out-of-character neglect of his family. People weren't supposed to sympathize with his neglect, but see his obsession, and wonder about it. The obsession was an imperative. It wasn't his choice. Nobody could resist the imperative. That was the whole point of showing Dreyfus' familial neglect. Emotionally, this plot device made the whole first part of the movie work.
Of course, and you weren't supposed to stop and consider this part, planting such an imperative obsession in many citizens' brains was hardly a friendly, or even peaceful, act by the aliens. Nor was their abduction of people for decades.
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For all practical purposes, what happened to the Dreyfus character was an abduction. A more sinister kind, though. The kind that had him abandoning the most cherished aspects of his very existance and fly off with aliens never to be heard from again. It's like they erased some of what made him human and replaced it with the compulsion to come to them. |
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