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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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 Posted - 09/20/2007 : 12:25:31 [Permalink]
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| No, Boron, it's just the NEXT STEP before Bush crowns himself king. Can't you see that?? |
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
1266 Posts |
 Posted - 09/20/2007 : 12:36:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
No, Boron, it's just the NEXT STEP before Bush crowns himself king. Can't you see that?? |
Oh, sorry. How could I have been so blind?
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 09/20/2007 : 14:53:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Boron10
Anybody else conducting military action is considered an Unlawful Combatant and is subject to the criminal laws of the Detaining Power.
The US Constitution guarantees Habeas Corpus, but fails to articulate whether it applies to everybody or to citizens only. |
If foreign citizens are considered subjects of US criminal law, then in the name of consitency they should also be granted the same rights that this same law grants to arrested people. As if they were American citizens.
Otherwise, what incentive will other nations have to treat American citizens according to their law? The principle of Habeus Corpus exists in every civilised country on Earth. Do you look forward to visiting a country where you know that you will be unable to claim Habeus Corpus? |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
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JEROME DA GNOME
BANNED
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 Posted - 09/20/2007 : 17:00:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by Boron10
Anybody else conducting military action is considered an Unlawful Combatant and is subject to the criminal laws of the Detaining Power.
The US Constitution guarantees Habeas Corpus, but fails to articulate whether it applies to everybody or to citizens only. |
If foreign citizens are considered subjects of US criminal law, then in the name of consitency they should also be granted the same rights that this same law grants to arrested people. As if they were American citizens.
Otherwise, what incentive will other nations have to treat American citizens according to their law? The principle of Habeus Corpus exists in every civilised country on Earth. Do you look forward to visiting a country where you know that you will be unable to claim Habeus Corpus?
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Thats hitting the nail on the head!
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
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Posted - 09/20/2007 : 17:17:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
If foreign citizens are considered subjects of US criminal law, then in the name of consitency they should also be granted the same rights that this same law grants to arrested people. As if they were American citizens.
Otherwise, what incentive will other nations have to treat American citizens according to their law? The principle of Habeus Corpus exists in every civilised country on Earth. Do you look forward to visiting a country where you know that you will be unable to claim Habeus Corpus? |
This is the reason I try to avoid countries (like Singapore) with excessively strict (or negligent) judicial systems; or barring that, I will go out of my way to abide by every ridiculous law they have.
In principle, Dr. Mabuse, I agree completely. Unfortunately, the vagaries associated with terrorist/military/criminal actions necessitate certain exceptions. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 09/20/2007 : 17:28:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
This quotes sounds familiar. Something to do with the measure of a society is how that society treats its animals. |
I thought it was "prisoners," but it turns out my recollection was incorrect, and it's "criminals." It's probably been paraphrased a zillion times. |
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Why not question something for a change?
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2007 : 17:42:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Boron10
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
If foreign citizens are considered subjects of US criminal law, then in the name of consitency they should also be granted the same rights that this same law grants to arrested people. As if they were American citizens.
Otherwise, what incentive will other nations have to treat American citizens according to their law? The principle of Habeus Corpus exists in every civilised country on Earth. Do you look forward to visiting a country where you know that you will be unable to claim Habeus Corpus? |
This is the reason I try to avoid countries (like Singapore) with excessively strict (or negligent) judicial systems; or barring that, I will go out of my way to abide by every ridiculous law they have.
In principle, Dr. Mabuse, I agree completely. Unfortunately, the vagaries associated with terrorist/military/criminal actions necessitate certain exceptions.
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It's why I had promised myself a few years back I would never set my foot on US soil until America changed it's policies made post 9/11.
However, Derek made me an offer I couldn't refuse...
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/20/2007 : 17:54:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
However, Derek made me an offer I couldn't refuse...
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sex? |
What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 09/20/2007 : 18:43:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Mooner wrote: | The Republican minority was able to quash the bill, though it looks as though all Democrats voted for it. |
One Dem voted against it. Lieberman.
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He's not a Dem anymore. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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Senate Votes Against Habeas Corpus
