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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 09/25/2007 : 19:07:10
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| A photograph by a controversial American artist which is part of Sir Elton John's private collection has been seized by police from a gallery on suspicion it may have breached child pornography laws. |
If you own child porn are you a pedophile?
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 19:30:58 [Permalink]
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| If you have a picture of a naked child, is that child porn? |
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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 09/25/2007 : 19:31:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
| A photograph by a controversial American artist which is part of Sir Elton John's private collection has been seized by police from a gallery on suspicion it may have breached child pornography laws. |
If you own child porn are you a pedophile?
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Gee, Jerome. Did you even bother to read the story? Even a little?
Your question clearly shows a disconnect between the subject of the article and your perception of it.
The article posits that the picture itself may run afoul of kiddie porn laws due to the subject matter. The artist who produced the work is a well known one who has photographed provocative scenes before. This is not your typical kiddie porn which is generated solely for purile interests. This is kiddie porn based on the subject matter irrespective of presentation or asthetics. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 19:33:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
If you have a picture of a naked child, is that child porn?
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It seems that the law is defining these pictures as child porn as they were confiscated based on child porn laws.
Interesting question, none the less.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 19:39:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Gee, Jerome. Did you even bother to read the story? Even a little? |
I read the whole article.
| Your question clearly shows a disconnect between the subject of the article and your perception of it. |
Here you are making an assumption of my thoughts on the subject. The subject is a good topic starter for a question.
The article posits that the picture itself may run afoul of kiddie porn laws due to the subject matter. The artist who produced the work is a well known one who has photographed provocative scenes before. This is not your typical kiddie porn which is generated solely for purile interests. This is kiddie porn based on the subject matter irrespective of presentation or asthetics.
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Now you are on target. Thank you for these thoughts.
Is this a correct assessment of your thoughts?:
You think that the thoughts and purpose in mind of the viewer determine if something is child pornography.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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ocheewah
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 05:31:14 [Permalink]
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Reminiscent of the woman a while back that was arrested, convicted, and jailed based on a picture of her daughter and a niece (both about 6 years old) taken at her home. The girls had just gotten out of the tub and she sent them to the bedroom to get ready for bed. Instead they began jumping on the bed, still unclothed. She walked in, picked up her camera and snapped a picture. The drugstore that developed the picture called the police.
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perrodetokio
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 07:23:02 [Permalink]
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IMO child pornography is a big problem, however there´s also a kind of hysteria about it.
Not every picture of naked or semi-naked children is pornography! In order to see EVERY picture of children as pornography you first must have a pretty sick mind. |
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gtpooh
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 08:30:18 [Permalink]
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As a mother and grandmother and a survivor of incest, I think this whole thing is blown out of proportion. The focus is all wrong and while innocent folks are persecuted for innocent photos, real pedophiles ply their trade, business as usual.
Every time I read one of these articles, I wonder what was wrong with person who reported it as disgusting? Maybe we should be investigating the people who think the sight of a couple of kids bouncing on the bed is erotic and not the mom who took the pictures.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 13:21:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by gtpooh
Because, nudity #8800; sex. It is a failing of our society that we equate the unclothed, natural state of the body as erotic and "dirty".
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The other day, I watched Penn & Tellers' Bullshit episode about brests, and they made the same point.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 13:34:31 [Permalink]
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I wonder if Led Zeppelin could have gotten away with their Houses of the Holy album cover in this day and age?
Edited to add: Wikipedia says the album was banned in Spain and parts of the Southern US (big surprise) for a time. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 20:12:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Gee, Jerome. Did you even bother to read the story? Even a little? |
I read the whole article.
| Your question clearly shows a disconnect between the subject of the article and your perception of it. |
Here you are making an assumption of my thoughts on the subject. The subject is a good topic starter for a question.
The article posits that the picture itself may run afoul of kiddie porn laws due to the subject matter. The artist who produced the work is a well known one who has photographed provocative scenes before. This is not your typical kiddie porn which is generated solely for purile interests. This is kiddie porn based on the subject matter irrespective of presentation or asthetics.
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Now you are on target. Thank you for these thoughts.
Is this a correct assessment of your thoughts?:
You think that the thoughts and purpose in mind of the viewer determine if something is child pornography.
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From Jerome:
If you own child porn are you a pedophile?
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This statement shows a clear disconnect between the subject matter of the article and a thought process. Or are you about to claim that you did not ask this question?
The assessment of the article is one I have made irrespective of my own beliefs in the matter. It is based on context and usage of the language of the article.
My own belief is that one can have innocent pictures of naked children without it being child pornography. And some people are still stuck in the Victorian age of morality. In addition, pornography is usually legally termed as having no aesthetic value and existing solely for purile purposes. Except in England, where if the same standard was placed on written stories as they have placed here on pictures, "Romeo and Juliet" would be kiddie porn.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 20:53:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
This statement shows a clear disconnect between the subject matter of the article and a thought process. Or are you about to claim that you did not ask this question?
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I guess the question is moot, now that Jerome is banned and unable to answer.
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Elton John-Child Porn?
