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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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 Posted - 10/05/2007 : 20:20:09
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This one's ridiculous. Someone's trying to pass off bad image data (blurry patches and dead pixels) as structures on the moon.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 10/05/2007 : 21:19:48 [Permalink]
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| While seeing it on Fark is no good sign, the YouTube entry for that video includes the explanation that it's nothing more than a trailer for a full-length documentary (unavailable as of this writing) by none other than Jose Escamilla, of "rods" fame. I suppose with those things so easily debunked, he's had to turn his quite considerable expertise onto something else that's completely reputation-ruining. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2007 : 00:32:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
While seeing it on Fark is no good sign, the YouTube entry for that video includes the explanation that it's nothing more than a trailer for a full-length documentary (unavailable as of this writing) by none other than Jose Escamilla, of "rods" fame. I suppose with those things so easily debunked, he's had to turn his quite considerable expertise onto something else that's completely reputation-ruining.
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Some people seem paradoxically most attracted to beliefs which offer the crappiest evidence.
My brother still insists rods are some kind of real "entities," rather than insects viewed through the inadequacies and artifacts of the present generation of video equipment.
But I'm pretty much convinced that he doesn't really believe half the things he believes. He's probably working hard to be a credophile because it's self-rewarding to him. One you've debunked some such crap and he finally accepts the debunking, he "forgets" a few minutes later and is saying the same stuff all over again. A bit like someone we've seen here in recent months, except that my brother has more progressive politics, though always with that paranoid touch.
I hope the full-length version of this moon charade gets laughed at at first, then ignored, at least by everyone but the most hopeless credophiles.
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 05:00:41 [Permalink]
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| What's going to happen to all these moon hoax people when the US and the Chinese are both on the Moon jumping up and down in Hi-Def TV? Are both countries going to be in on a grand conspiracy then? |
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 05:37:18 [Permalink]
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Years ago, moon hoaxers at the Bad Astronomy board claimed if NASA would only point the Hubble telescope at Apollo landing sites, the images would show evidences of same. The conspirators claimed those photos would be proof-positive of man's landing on the moon. Other than Hubble, at that 'close' range having a thirty foot resolution, that line of reasoning leaves them trusting the very group they claim can't be trusted in the first place!
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2007 : 05:52:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
What's going to happen to all these moon hoax people when the US and the Chinese are both on the Moon jumping up and down in Hi-Def TV? Are both countries going to be in on a grand conspiracy then?
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Sure, and then it becomes a Communist conspiracy.
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 07:00:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by pleco
What's going to happen to all these moon hoax people when the US and the Chinese are both on the Moon jumping up and down in Hi-Def TV? Are both countries going to be in on a grand conspiracy then?
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Sure, and then it becomes a Communist conspiracy.
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At that point, SFN should let Jerome back in for his erudite commentary. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 21:06:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Randy
Years ago, moon hoaxers at the Bad Astronomy board claimed if NASA would only point the Hubble telescope at Apollo landing sites, the images would show evidences of same. The conspirators claimed those photos would be proof-positive of man's landing on the moon. Other than Hubble, at that 'close' range having a thirty foot resolution, that line of reasoning leaves them trusting the very group they claim can't be trusted in the first place!
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry at the extreme level of pea-brained dumb-assness of the above.
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Randy, if Piper resurrects from obscurity and starts posting here. I will have to smack you.
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Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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Ghost_Skeptic
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 22:08:18 [Permalink]
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At least I learned something about how they transmitted the images from one of the comments
Wondering what this is? No, it's not an alien colony. It is a processing artifact in this image of the Moon, which was taken by one of the Lunar Orbiter satellites in the mid-1960s.
The Lunar Orbiter camera system was a marvel of engineering for its time. Built long before the advent of digital sensors, the Lunar Orbiter camera captured images on black and white film that was developed on the spacecraft and then scanned with an electron gun and photo-multiplier tube, one strip at a time. The image data was then beamed back to earth as a TV signal where another system exposed film on the Earth to match the film in space, and this transfer back to film was developed using another chemical process. The entire apparatus for capturing, processing, scanning, and transmitting the photographs was all housed in a pressurized, thermally controlled container. Needless to say, there were many opportunities for imperfections to creep in.
Surprisingly, the Lunar Orbiter images are still the best images available of much of the Moon, and this is one of many reasons why NASA and other space agencies are sending a new generation of satellites to the Moon over the next few years.
You can learn more about these artifacts, and the work currently underway to digitally scan all the old Lunar Orbiter imagery, from the U.S. Geological Survey. |
They were actually processing film on board the lunar orbiter. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2007 : 01:52:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ghost_Skeptic
At least I learned something about how they transmitted the images from one of the comments
Wondering what this is? No, it's not an alien colony. It is a processing artifact in this image of the Moon, which was taken by one of the Lunar Orbiter satellites in the mid-1960s.
The Lunar Orbiter camera system was a marvel of engineering for its time. Built long before the advent of digital sensors, the Lunar Orbiter camera captured images on black and white film that was developed on the spacecraft and then scanned with an electron gun and photo-multiplier tube, one strip at a time. The image data was then beamed back to earth as a TV signal where another system exposed film on the Earth to match the film in space, and this transfer back to film was developed using another chemical process. The entire apparatus for capturing, processing, scanning, and transmitting the photographs was all housed in a pressurized, thermally controlled container. Needless to say, there were many opportunities for imperfections to creep in.
Surprisingly, the Lunar Orbiter images are still the best images available of much of the Moon, and this is one of many reasons why NASA and other space agencies are sending a new generation of satellites to the Moon over the next few years.
You can learn more about these artifacts, and the work currently underway to digitally scan all the old Lunar Orbiter imagery, from the U.S. Geological Survey. |
They were actually processing film on board the lunar orbiter.
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That I hadn't known. That seems an incredibly primitive kludge of a process, compared to what we take for granted these days. It reminds me somewhat of the first fax machine I ever saw: To receive, a thick, silvered sheet of paper was placed around a swiftly rotating aluminum drum. An electrified stylus moved slowly from one end of the drum to the other, zapping darks spots on the paper, sort of like a seismograph. Typed text was quite readable, though.
To send, the process was reversed, using a single light sensor cell and a small lamp on the moving stylus.
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Worst lunar conspiracy evidence, ever (video)
