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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 10/27/2007 : 02:06:02 [Permalink]
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dv82matt said:
| Well I guess I'd be hoping the terrorist being interrogated was not up to snuff then. Given a lack of other options and with millions of lives under immediate threat I don't think there's any real choice in the matter. |
Then I have to ask... wouldn't it be better time spent persuing the source that gave you such reliable info about the nuke, its target city, and its aprox detination time? It seems highly improbable that such a source doesn't know, or can't find out, more data.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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dv82matt
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Posted - 10/27/2007 : 03:09:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
dv82matt said:
| Well I guess I'd be hoping the terrorist being interrogated was not up to snuff then. Given a lack of other options and with millions of lives under immediate threat I don't think there's any real choice in the matter. |
Then I have to ask... wouldn't it be better time spent persuing the source that gave you such reliable info about the nuke, its target city, and its aprox detination time? It seems highly improbable that such a source doesn't know, or can't find out, more data. |
Sure if that were an option, but that's beyond the scope of the question being asked. One could suppose all sorts of other options that don't involve torturing Osama but for the purpose of answering the hypothetical they have been ruled out. That's how I understood it anyway. |
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Dude
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Posted - 10/27/2007 : 08:00:05 [Permalink]
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But what is the chance of such a scenario actualy comming to pass? The point I'm making is that such a thing is an absurd proposition.
Nothing is ever that simple.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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bngbuck
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Posted - 10/27/2007 : 14:49:10 [Permalink]
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I'm glad many found the news item worthy of comment. The thing that bothered me was that virtually all of the Republican candidates said that they supported torture!
Does this really demonstrate that the GOP will nominate a Creationist who supports torture as US policy for the Presidency of the United States?
How will the general electorate respond in 2008?
How would they have responded if Bush/Cheney and their war, and the criminal Republicans in Congress hadn't stacked the cards so badly against any Republican running in 2008?
These are serious questions that trouble me. I would appreciate anyone's thoughts!
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chaloobi
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Posted - 10/28/2007 : 09:39:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Yes, but what if a cross-dimensional demon was going to engulf the Earth in fire, but you somehow knew you could stop it if you tortured a litter of puppies, would you do it? Straight answers only, please.
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bngbuck
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Posted - 10/28/2007 : 10:08:35 [Permalink]
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Chaloobi and bngbuck.....
Serious and straight answer for serious questions.
I would rub each of their little tummies until he/her expired in an orgasm of progressively wanting more and more until it was impossible to get enough to satisfy. Torture! And thus become Saviour of the Earth for the benefit of millions of more puppies that are a hell of a lot more important than we are! |
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dv82matt
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 11/08/2007 : 08:51:37 [Permalink]
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He's dead on, as usual.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 11/08/2007 : 10:40:42 [Permalink]
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I'd like to see Daniel Levin as Special Prosecutor to investigate Bush war crimes. But we'll be lucky if the Senate doesn't confirm Mukasey, instead. Schumer and Feinstein have stabbed the nation in the back.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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pleco
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Dude
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Posted - 12/29/2007 : 16:16:01 [Permalink]
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Nice description.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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Boron10
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Posted - 12/29/2007 : 16:57:04 [Permalink]
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A Navy pilot friend of mine said, after seeing some news report of waterboarding, "that's not torture! We get much worse at SERE and none of us have any real problem with it."
I suggested that since he volunteered for it, perhaps it's not as bad as getting abducted by somebody and subjected to it without any prior warning.
I dunno.... |
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Dude
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Posted - 12/29/2007 : 17:09:57 [Permalink]
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Navy SEAL training for "surf hits" doesn't even come close to waterboarding. You are at the bottom of 10 feet of water, with scuba gear on, and an instructor comes along and turns your air off, pulls off your gear, and after they finish messing you up you have to get all your crap back on and in working order. Rough stuff, and you flunk out if you can't do it. If you lose you head and bolt for the surface they stop you (to prevent you from hurting yourself) and give you some air...
But you are not restrained and relying on someone else to monitor your wellbeing (someone who may very well hate you and not care if you live or die) during the process.
You can find video of real waterboarding on the P2P networks, if you have the stomach to watch, and see what its like.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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pleco
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Posted - 12/30/2007 : 16:30:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Nice description.
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Yeah, especially this (from the link):
I'll put it this way. If I had the choice of being waterboarded by a third party or having my fingers smashed one at a time by a sledgehammer, I'd take the fingers, no question.
It's horrible, terrible, inhuman torture. I can hardly imagine worse. I'd prefer permanent damage and disability to experiencing it again. I'd give up anything, say anything, do anything.
The Spanish Inquisition knew this. It was one of their favorite methods.
It's torture. No question. Terrible terrible torture. To experience it and understand it and then do it to another human being is to leave the realm of sanity and humanity forever. No question in my mind. |
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Mukasey won't say if "waterboarding" is torture
