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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 11/01/2007 : 12:40:52
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Really, I never get tired of this.
One of the many arguments against a young earth (6,000 years) is that dinosaur and human fossils have never been found in association, nor even in the same strata. Indeed, I find that a tad short-sighted because there are a lot of strata that our ancestors have shunned besides those formed in the relatively brief period of geologic history occupied by the dinosaurs.
But no matter, there is a reasonable, YEC explanation. Biblical creationists believe that man and dinosaurs lived at the same time because God, a perfect eyewitness to history, said that He created man and land animals on Day 6 (Genesis 1:24–31). Dinosaurs are land animals, so logically they were created on Day 6.
In contrast, those who do not believe the plain reading of Genesis, such as many non-Christians and compromised Christians, believe the rock and fossil layers on earth represent millions of years of earth history and that man and dinosaurs did not live at the same time.
Old-earth proponents often argue that if man and dinosaurs lived at the same time, their fossils should be found in the same layers. Since no one has found definitive evidence of human remains in the same layers as dinosaurs (Cretaceous, Jurassic, and Triassic), they say that humans and dinosaurs are separated by millions of years of time and, therefore, didn't live together. So, old-earth proponents ask a very good question: Why don't we find human fossils with dinosaur fossils, if they lived at the same time?
We find human fossils in layers that most creationists consider post-Flood. Most of these were probably buried after the Flood and after the scattering of humans from Babel. So it is true that human and dinosaur fossils have yet to be found in the same layers, but does that mean that long-age believers are correct?
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Does it indeed?
Do Humans Fossilize like Other Creatures?
Fossilization is a rare event, especially of humans who are very mobile. Since the rains of Noah's Flood took weeks to cover the earth, many people could have made it to boats, grabbed on to floating debris, and so on. Some may have made it to higher ground. Although they wouldn't have lasted that long and would have eventually perished, they might not fossilize.
In most cases, dead things decompose or get eaten. They just disappear and nothing is left. The 2004 tsunami in Southeast Asia was a shocking reminder of the speed with which water and other forces can eliminate all trace of bodies, even when we know where to look. According to the United Nation's Office of the Special Envoy for Tsunami Recovery, nearly 43,000 tsunami victims were never found.3
Even if rare, it would still be possible to fossilize a human body. In fact, we do find fossils of humans, such as Neanderthals, in the post-Flood sediments. So why don't we find humans in pre-Flood sediments?
One suggestion has been that the human population was relatively small. Let's see how that possibility bears out.
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I'll let y'all see how it bears out for yourselves. I'd hate to spoil the conclusion for you.
Yet again, I wonder that mere faith can so blind even perfectly reasonable folks to that which is right before their eyes.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2007 : 13:39:04 [Permalink]
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I once was lost, but now am found, was blind, but now can see.
This attempt at trying to support the Bible myths logically with the (lack of) fossil evidence makes me think of someone trying to carefully read The Wizard of Oz so that it fits with meteorological records for the State of Kansas, all the while using the scientific and logical principles set down at the Mad Tea Party.
The result is high humor.
Edited to add:
This dishonesty was less funny: If human and dinosaur bones are ever found in the same layers, it would be a fascinating find to both creationists and evolutionists. Those who hold a biblical view of history wouldn't be surprised but would consider several logical possibilities, such as human parties invading dinosaur lands for sport or for food, or merely humans and dinosaurs being washed up and buried together.
Evolutionists, on the other hand, who believe the geologic layers represent millions of years of time, would have a real challenge. In the old-earth view, man isn't supposed to be the same age as dinosaurs. Yet we can be sure that this finding would not overturn their starting assumptions—they would simply try to develop a hypothesis consistent with their preconceived view of history. For example, they might search for the possibility that the fossils were moved and redeposited. |
Indeed, Ken Ham lies through his teeth.
Such indisputable evidence of man with dinosaur would demolish much of evolutionary theory. Real science, and all real knowledge, is falsifiable, unlike Ham's Bible fables.
Like a Devonian Bunny, such evidence would be devastating to science. There are dozens of ways evolution could be falsified by evidence. Evolutionary scientists have openly listed many! Creationism hasn't been able to find a single piece of such evidence after trying for well over a century. Instead, evolutionary evidence piles up daily.
There never has been any anti-evolutionary evidence. Until there is, science is safe. Ham and his ilk will just have to keep waiting and wishing. Likely forever.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
| Edited by - HalfMooner on 11/01/2007 16:46:47 |
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Flood apologetics at it's best!
