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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Hot damn I hope Huckabee wins the primary (although he probably doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell), 'cause if he does, he'll be absolutely creamed in a general election. At least that's my first thought when old statements like these about AIDS and gays are brought out: http://www.sovo.com/2007/12-14/news/national/7862.cfm
“If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague,” he wrote in response to an Associate Press questionnaire at the time.
“It is difficult to understand the public policy toward AIDS. It is the first time in the history of civilization in which the carriers of a genuine plague have not been isolated from the general population, and in which this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents.” |
And will Huckabee recant? Of course not. Instead he dancing around the issue by saying that today he'd say it differently, but he stands by his previous statements given the context of 1992. Oh really?
| “We knew a great deal about HIV and AIDS by 1992 — certainly enough to know there was no need to isolate those who are infected,” Reznik said. |
I graduated 8th grade in 1992. That year I was attending a Catholic grade school, and we had a guest speaker who brought in a film about Ryan White and AIDS. The speaker and film communicated the message that AIDS was only transferable through needles and sexual activities, and that it was a disease that anyone could catch. I repeat, this was at a Catholic grade school in 1992! If Huckabee made those statements in 1992, he was indeed speaking out of severe ignorance and probably also prejudice against homosexuals.
I also find Huckabee's comment "this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents.” astounding. I guess he's just utterly clueless that awareness of the disease came long before any official action by the government, largely because it was regarded as a gay disease. When Ronald Reagan died, parties were literally being thrown all over American cities in gay communities, who blamed the deaths of many of their friends on the his administration's silence and lack of action on the matter.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/06/08/EDG777163F1.DTL
By Feb. 1, 1983, 1,025 AIDS cases were reported, and at least 394 had died in the United States. Reagan said nothing. On April 23, 1984, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced 4,177 reported cases in America and 1,807 deaths. In San Francisco, the health department reported more than 500 cases. Again, Reagan said nothing. That same year, 1984, the Democratic National Convention convened in San Francisco. Hoping to focus attention on the need for AIDS research, education and treatment, more than 100,000 sympathizers marched from the Castro to Moscone Center.
With each diagnosis, the pain and suffering spread across America. Everyone seemed to now know someone infected with AIDS. At a White House state dinner, first lady Nancy Reagan expressed concern for a guest showing signs of significant weight loss. On July 25, 1985, the American Hospital in Paris announced that Rock Hudson had AIDS.
With AIDS finally out of the closet, activists such as Paul Boneberg, who in 1984 started Mobilization Against AIDS in San Francisco, begged President Reagan to say something now that he, like thousands of Americans, knew a person with AIDS. Writing in the Washington Post in late 198
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2007 : 09:41:02 [Permalink]
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| I am still not sure that Huckabee stands no chance of winning the Republican primary. Moreover, I'm not 100% convinced that his rather ignorant statements about AIDS-- statements that he still seems to stand by-- are going to get him in trouble in a general election. At least, not any more trouble than arguing for a literal 6-day creation of the earth and such. My feeling is that among the Biblical literalists, his ideas about AIDS aren't so out of whack. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/15/2007 : 10:14:15 [Permalink]
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Cune wrote: | Moreover, I'm not 100% convinced that his rather ignorant statements about AIDS-- statements that he still seems to stand by-- are going to get him in trouble in a general election. At least, not any more trouble than arguing for a literal 6-day creation of the earth and such. My feeling is that among the Biblical literalists, his ideas about AIDS aren't so out of whack. |
True Biblical literalists are at best 25% of the population, and among the majority who are not Biblical literalists - many of whom have known someone with HIV or AIDS - his statements are likely to cause a great deal of upset. I don't see how it is possible for this guy to win a general election. He is true fundy. George Bush might be born again, but he also had some serious name recognition and was associated with a lot of powerful people. Huckabee's main identity is that he is a conservative Christian ex-preacher, and I can't believe that the majority which is moderate-liberal Christians and non-Christians would vote for him. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2007 : 10:46:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Cune wrote: | Moreover, I'm not 100% convinced that his rather ignorant statements about AIDS-- statements that he still seems to stand by-- are going to get him in trouble in a general election. At least, not any more trouble than arguing for a literal 6-day creation of the earth and such. My feeling is that among the Biblical literalists, his ideas about AIDS aren't so out of whack. |
True Biblical literalists are at best 25% of the population, and among the majority who are not Biblical literalists - many of whom have known someone with HIV or AIDS - his statements are likely to cause a great deal of upset. I don't see how it is possible for this guy to win a general election. He is true fundy. George Bush might be born again, but he also had some serious name recognition and was associated with a lot of powerful people. Huckabee's main identity is that he is a conservative Christian ex-preacher, and I can't believe that the majority which is moderate-liberal Christians and non-Christians would vote for him.
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I'd like to think that, too. But I no longer have much confidence in the US electorate. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2007 : 17:35:49 [Permalink]
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Cune wrote: | I'd like to think that, too. But I no longer have much confidence in the US electorate. |
I can understand that. In 1999 I thought the idea that an obviously dull-minded, silver-spoon-fed, politically under-experienced, failed businessman could become president was ridiculous. Yet, here we are. |
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pleco
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USA
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Posted - 12/15/2007 : 17:39:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Cune wrote: | I'd like to think that, too. But I no longer have much confidence in the US electorate. |
I can understand that. In 1999 I thought the idea that an obviously dull-minded, silver-spoon-fed, politically under-experienced, failed businessman could become president was ridiculous. Yet, here we are.
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Pretty easy when you rig it. Of course, the real brains executed that plan, not dubya. |
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
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Posted - 12/16/2007 : 09:56:51 [Permalink]
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| Maybe we should isolate the ignorant bigots instead? Especially if they have the intention of reaching positions of power. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 12/17/2007 : 18:04:41 [Permalink]
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There's more on Gov. Huckabee. In 1998, after school shootings in Arkansas, the governor wrote a book in response called Kids Who Kill. In it,Huckabee argued that school shootings were the product of a society in decline, a decline marked (and caused) by abortion, pornography, media violence, out-of-wedlock sex, divorce, drug use, and, of course, homosexuality. Huckabee and his coauthor bemoaned the "demoralization of America," observing, "Despite all our prosperity, pomp, and power, the vaunted American experiment in liberty seems to be disintegrating before our very eyes." Huckabee, who was governor at the time and a well-known social conservative, blasted away at those whom he held responsible for America's ills, and he took a rather tough stand against government social programs and their advocates. In lamenting the "cultural conflicts" besetting the country, he wrote,| Abortion, environmentalism, AIDS, pornography, drug abuse, and homosexual activism have fragmented and polarized our communities. |
Why was he lumping environmentalism with activities he considered sinful? He did not explain further. A few pages later, Huckabee complained,| It is now difficult to keep track of the vast array of publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations—from homosexuality and pedophilia to sadomasochism and necrophilia. |
Huckabee did not say what public endorsement of pedophilia or necrophilia he had in mind. But he did seem to be equating homosexuality with both. |
Something tells me that if called out on this, Huck would stand by it, his calls for "unity" notwithstanding. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 12/17/2007 : 21:54:32 [Permalink]
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I get a strong feeling that Huckabee isn't really a fundy at heart at all, but merely the worst kind of alarmist, populist demagogue. He knows exactly what he's doing when he slips in a non-issue like necrophilia in association with homosexuality and the totally unrelated matter of environmentalism. He deceives, and is conscious of doing it.
Huckabee is appealing to those accustomed to going with the emotional flow of hell-and-brimstone sermons, those who pay no attention to the logic of what is said, only to the accumulative emotional force of key, hot-button words. Much like every fascist who ever spoke, he's speaking directly to the fears and hates of people, bypassing their reason.
This is a very dangerous man, one who -- if elected -- might incredibly make Bush's time in the record book as "worst President ever" briefer than we'd imagined was possible.
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
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Posted - 12/20/2007 : 06:51:56 [Permalink]
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| This isn't smallpox we're talking about. These days, now that the blood supply is screened and dentists wear face shields, nobody gets AIDS without extremely reckless behavior. I don't see the point in quarantines - would that be to make people feel more secure in having unprotected sex with strangers? I can't believe Mr. Huckabee would be encouraging such behavior. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/20/2007 : 07:10:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
I get a strong feeling that Huckabee isn't really a fundy at heart at all, but merely the worst kind of alarmist, populist demagogue. He knows exactly what he's doing when he slips in a non-issue like necrophilia in association with homosexuality and the totally unrelated matter of environmentalism. He deceives, and is conscious of doing it.
Huckabee is appealing to those accustomed to going with the emotional flow of hell-and-brimstone sermons, those who pay no attention to the logic of what is said, only to the accumulative emotional force of key, hot-button words. Much like every fascist who ever spoke, he's speaking directly to the fears and hates of people, bypassing their reason.
This is a very dangerous man, one who -- if elected -- might incredibly make Bush's time in the record book as "worst President ever" briefer than we'd imagined was possible.
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Odd.... Since Huck came into higher prominence and I've started paying a little attention to him, I've been getting the much the same feeling.
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chaloobi
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Posted - 12/20/2007 : 07:32:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by HalfMooner
I get a strong feeling that Huckabee isn't really a fundy at heart at all, but merely the worst kind of alarmist, populist demagogue. He knows exactly what he's doing when he slips in a non-issue like necrophilia in association with homosexuality and the totally unrelated matter of environmentalism. He deceives, and is conscious of doing it.
Huckabee is appealing to those accustomed to going with the emotional flow of hell-and-brimstone sermons, those who pay no attention to the logic of what is said, only to the accumulative emotional force of key, hot-button words. Much like every fascist who ever spoke, he's speaking directly to the fears and hates of people, bypassing their reason.
This is a very dangerous man, one who -- if elected -- might incredibly make Bush's time in the record book as "worst President ever" briefer than we'd imagined was possible.
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Odd.... Since Huck came into higher prominence and I've started paying a little attention to him, I've been getting the much the same feeling.
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When Bush first ran for office I said "Nah, there's no way a guy like that could be elected president."
When he ran the second time around I said "There's no way someone who's screwed up so badly will get elected to a second term. No friggin' way."
Now I'm thinking of Huckabee "He might win over the nut-jobs, but there's no way a guy like that could get elected president."
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/20/2007 : 10:20:04 [Permalink]
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chaloobi wrote:
When Bush first ran for office I said "Nah, there's no way a guy like that could be elected president."
When he ran the second time around I said "There's no way someone who's screwed up so badly will get elected to a second term. No friggin' way."
Now I'm thinking of Huckabee "He might win over the nut-jobs, but there's no way a guy like that could get elected president."
Be wary of this guy.... |
Argh! Stop saying things which make me want to crawl into a dark hole and hide for ten years. |
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chaloobi
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Posted - 12/20/2007 : 11:17:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
chaloobi wrote:
When Bush first ran for office I said "Nah, there's no way a guy like that could be elected president."
When he ran the second time around I said "There's no way someone who's screwed up so badly will get elected to a second term. No friggin' way."
Now I'm thinking of Huckabee "He might win over the nut-jobs, but there's no way a guy like that could get elected president."
Be wary of this guy.... |
Argh! Stop saying things which make me want to crawl into a dark hole and hide for ten years.
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Don't do that, the nation needs your vote. |
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Huckabee on AIDS and Gays, stands by '92 statement
