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pleco
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 Posted - 02/28/2008 : 10:06:55
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| The answer appears to be: Yes. In 1934, a Dr. A. Nordenholz wrote a book entitled Scientologie that L. Ron Hubbard read a total of one time and decided later in his great moment of marketing genius to base a religion on these strange psychological ramblings of this Doktor. Scans are below, courtesy of Enturbulation.org or you can read the whole thing online here. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 10:21:31 [Permalink]
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| Given what we know of Hubbard already, I am not surprised. |
"Too much certainty and clarity could lead to cruel intolerance" -Karen Armstrong
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bngbuck
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 11:11:11 [Permalink]
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Pleco.....
I was neck-deep in academic Psychology and Philosophy in 1952 when L. Ron first published "Dianetics" in Astounding Science Fiction, one of my Bibles at that time. I swallowed his crap hook, line and sinker and introduced it in both my Psychology and Philosophy classes.
My tender young life became very interesting following this, as I found myself an advocate for a bunch of hooey that took the Academic world by storm, and was laughed into total disrespect. L. Ron, of course, laughed all the way to the bank, and his heirs are positively hilarious today.
Possibly one of the most successful scams ever foisted on a gullible public, long-lived (fifty eight years and still counting money!) and strongly supported by celebrity scientists like Tom Craiz and John Travailta!
Would that I had joined his hoary crew back in the fifties. I could have retired at thirty richer than I am today! Screwed a few people in the process, but what the hell, money is the only thing that really counts! Wait, wait, I've got to get the Kevlar zipped.... |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 12:28:32 [Permalink]
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I tried reading Dianetics around 1959, when I was about 14. I was lucky: It seemed to be impenetrable to me at the time, which I took for being caused my own lack of erudition. But I never tried reading it gain.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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JohnOAS
SFN Regular
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 Posted - 03/02/2008 : 05:22:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
I tried reading Dianetics around 1959, when I was about 14. I was lucky: It seemed to be impenetrable to me at the time, which I took for being caused my own lack of erudition. But I never tried reading it gain. |
I read Dianetics when I was about 20. (Working interstate, wandering through town on a weekend, killing time, when I was approached by a girl with a clipboard).
From memory, it seemed self consistent, and kind of plausable. My psychology skills probably aren't even up to amateur levels, but as an engineer type, they pretty much lost me when they told me their e-meter (yes, I've held one), could measure "thoughts". Riiiiight.
I probably still have the book somewhere, it might be worth a re-read now that I'm older and (at least a little) wiser. |
John's just this guy, you know. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 03/02/2008 : 08:18:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
scientists like Tom Craiz and John Travailta!
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Scientists...? |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
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"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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bngbuck
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Posted - 03/02/2008 : 10:14:12 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse.....
Doc, you need to sharpen up your English comprehension skills! I know, it's cold up there at the North Pole and hard to concentrate, but work on it!
Everyone over here in the States knows that the prefix "SCIENT" in SCIENTOLOGY means SCIENTISTS! |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/02/2008 : 23:48:13 [Permalink]
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Cut him a little slack... English is not his native language afterall.
I knew what you meant, but do they really call themselves scientists? If so, thats new data to me... heh. Not that I really pay much attention to these idiots, even though they have one of their indoctrination prisons retreats right near where I live.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 00:21:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
I knew what you meant, but do they really call themselves scientists? |
No, they call themselves Scientologists. And once again, bngbuck's penchant for purple prose proves problematic for proper comprehension. Mab, your English comprehension skills are just fine.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 00:27:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
And once again, bngbuck's penchant for purple prose proves problematic for proper comprehension. |
Should have been "proper parsing." And bngbuck should have given himself a handle starting with P. Damn him for partially ruining your consonance. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 04:08:33 [Permalink]
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Dave.....
"Consonance" comes comfortably close to communicating the concept conceived, although "alliteration" actually adds awareness and awards an active audit of anthologies of anti-antonyms!
Humbert.....
Polysyllabic purple prose purports to provide a plethora of positive presumptions pertaining to prehension, however Humbert's humorless harangues hold harmless his hesitant hand at hauteur!
Dave's damning doesn't diminish definitely devilish delight developing during derisive, dumb, discussions denoting debilitating deliberations & debate! |
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bngbuck
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 04:23:40 [Permalink]
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Dude.....
Doc Mabuse had to be KIDDING, as I was, and as I hope you are. Scientists in Scientology? Tom Cruise and John Travolta?
Cruise calls himself a Saviour of Humanity and Travolta calls himself a cross-dressing airline pilot without an airline!
Scientologists call themselves frequently so they don't forget their own names! |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 15:00:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Dave.....
"Consonance" comes comfortably close to communicating the concept conceived, although "alliteration" actually adds awareness and awards an active audit of anthologies of anti-antonyms! |
Actually, consonance is a more precise description of that example:
| Alliteration can take the form of assonance, the repetition of a vowel, or consonance, the repetition of a consonant; however, unlike a strict definition of alliteration, both assonance and consonance can regularly occur within words as opposed to being limited to the word's initial sound. Some critics hold the opinion that the term "alliteration" applies just as accurately to phonetic repetitions that occur elsewhere than the initial position (first letter), sometimes falling on later syllables, yet retaining alliterative properties due to the form of the example's meter, which, through affecting the syllables stress may mimic the intensity of the initial. Further, the use of differing consonants of similar properties (labials, dentals, etc.) is sometimes considered to be alliteration. |
However, most agree that alliteration in any form is emblematic of childish, hackneyed writing, and not wit.Books aimed at young readers often use alliteration, as it consistently captures children's interest.
Alliteration in English survives today most obviously in flashy magazine article titles, advertisements and business names, comic strip or cartoon characters, and generally cliché expressions. |
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
| Edited by - H. Humbert on 03/03/2008 15:00:53 |
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bngbuck
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 21:37:56 [Permalink]
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Humbert wrote:| bngbuck's penchant for purple prose proves problematic for proper comprehension. |
The next day he commented:| However, most agree that alliteration in any form is emblematic of childish, hackneyed writing, and not wit. |
Well, Hum, self-abnegation in any form is agreed by most to be an act of attrition, noble in it's committment! I commend you for being sufficiently humble to engage in it!
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 22:11:38 [Permalink]
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bng said:
| Doc Mabuse had to be KIDDING, as I was, and as I hope you are. |
Language sucks. Its so imprecise, especially when it comes to communicating nuance in concise written form.
I understood that you were being sarcastic in calling them "scientists", but I really had/have no idea what they call themselves. You claimed some personal experience with this cult, so it was difficult to determine if your sarcasm was directed at them actually using the term "scientist" or if you were engaging in some small hyperbole. Mab, as a non-US citizen and non-native speaker of English, could have easily been pondering this same thing.
But yeah, I was kidding when I suggested cutting anyone some slack. Slack is owned entirely by Bob, so no one else is allowed to cut it. In fact, I'm pretty sure Bob frowns on Slack being cut.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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bngbuck
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 22:37:57 [Permalink]
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Dude.....
| You claimed some personal experience with this cult, |
Dude, Scientology and the cult did not exist in 1952 when I brought the book "Dianetics" to my classes at the university where I was studying Philosophy and Psychology.
I have absolutely no experience with the Scientology cult that evolved from L. Ron Hubbard's book, "Dianetics". I read "Dianetics" shortly after it was published and discussed it in class. with Professors and students. I was rightly ridiculed and criticized for giving any credence to "Dianetics". That was in 1952. From 1953 to today, I have had no "experience" with Dianetics-become-Scientology than you have, Dude! |
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Did L.Ron Hubbard plagarize Scientology?
