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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 03/04/2008 : 13:54:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
What is not to be turned off by two men, for the lack of a better term, fudge packing each other? |
That's the best term you could come up with? Really?
| Sure you'll have a % that get into man/women anal sex, but I believe that % to be low among the hetro's. |
Thank chastity pledges and abstinence-only education for making it quite popular among young Christians, bill. You're still a virgin if you abstain from vaginal intercourse, or so the reasoning goes.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 14:10:27 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by H. Humbert |
| That's the best term you could come up with? Really? |
Define your meaning of "best" for me please.
| Sure you'll have a % that get into man/women anal sex, but I believe that % to be low among the hetro's. |
Thank chastity pledges and abstinence-only education for making it quite popular among young Christians, bill. You're still a virgin if you abstain from vaginal intercourse, or so the reasoning goes. |
What buffoons made such an idiotic statement? Any moron who engages in anal sex in effort to maintain their "virginity" is even a bigger buffoon. And you got any citations on that anal sex being popular amound young Christians? |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 15:15:03 [Permalink]
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I've never been into porn, so I can honestly say that any few seconds I've seen the last 15 years are by mistake.
However, that doesn't mean I don't appreciate movies like Bound.
I prefer watching two women feeling each other up, rather than male-and-female action.
I could fantasize changing place with one of the women in the first example. But in the latter example, the male will always be a competitor for the woman, and he's already there on site.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 15:38:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Sure you'll have a % that get into man/women anal sex, but I believe that % to be low among the hetro's. |
I'd say that the numbers are higher than you believe. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 16:43:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Define your meaning of "best" for me please. |
Why? You're the one who said that you lacked a better term, thus stating that was the best you could come up with. If you don't think it's the "best" term, then that would mean you do have a "better" term in mind. Which is it, Bill?
| What buffoons made such an idiotic statement? Any moron who engages in anal sex in effort to maintain their "virginity" is even a bigger buffoon. And you got any citations on that anal sex being popular amound young Christians? |
Many Teens Who Take 'Virginity Pledges' Substitute Other High-Risk Behavior for Intercourse, Study Says
| Although teenagers who take "virginity pledges" begin engaging in vaginal intercourse later than teens who have not committed to remain abstinent until marriage, they also are more likely to engage in oral or anal sex than nonpledging virgin teens and less likely to use condoms once they become sexually active, according to a study published in the April issue of the Journal of Adolescent Health. |
Christians keen on keeping their children ignorant about sex end up having children who have ignorant, unsafe sex. I would say this should be obvious, but it's amazing the number of Christians who oppose sex education in schools.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 18:27:16 [Permalink]
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| What is not to be turned off by two men, for the lack of a better term, fudge packing each other? |
Er... if you like sweaty man-parts and watching the sexual dynamics between two passionate lovers in action, lots!
You obviously don't know much about homosexuality in both human history and the animal kingdom. But we've been through this before, and I don't expect you to pay attention or respond this time either, so I simply suggest you try educating yourself about reality. It's fun talking about things you actually have learned about instead of just making things up from your ignorant gut.
| On the other hand you can take George Clooney and Brad Pitt and show them as butt buddies and most women will be totally turned off by this. I think it's the anal penetration that grosses most out. |
Not so much Brad Pitt 'cause I'm not into him, but Clooney's hot. I'm rather into the more regular-looking "bear" types, so put Clooney together with, say, my thirty-something automechanic with a good beard, and I've got a great show for the night. Guess that makes me perverted, unnatural, abnormal, and/or a liar in your tiny world, Bill.
Do you just dismiss a substantial minority of women like myself? I think many if not most women are turned off by hard pornography, and I think that you'd find that women who enjoy hard pornography are typically not turned off by the image of two men having sex. But as neither of us have produced anything to back our arguments up except our own biases, I digress.
Is it hot in here? |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 18:47:08 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse |
| I prefer watching two women feeling each other up, rather than male-and-female action. |
But wouldn't you prefer watching two very hot women over two repulsive women? |
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 19:24:19 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by H. Humbert |
| Why? You're the one who said that you lacked a better term, thus stating that was the best you could come up with. If you don't think it's the "best" term, then that would mean you do have a "better" term in mind. Which is it, Bill? |
I just want to understand your definition of “best” first.
| What buffoons made such an idiotic statement? Any moron who engages in anal sex in effort to maintain their "virginity" is even a bigger buffoon. And you got any citations on that anal sex being popular amound young Christians? |
Many Teens Who Take 'Virginity Pledges' Substitute Other High-Risk Behavior for Intercourse, Study Says |
I didn't see anything about Christians, just “virginity” pledges. Not that I would think that there would not be any who claim to be Christians within the numbers of those who take some pledge, but rather I just find it interesting that you choose to make the claim that:
| making it quite popular among young Christians, bill. You're still a virgin if you abstain from vaginal intercourse, or so the reasoning goes. |
singling out Christians and then implying that many of them hold the position that anal sex does not affect their virgin status. I ask you to give me some numbers on that claim and you cite a piece where I could not find the word “Christian” one time? In a new world of alleged tolerance you sir have demonstrated yourself to be nothing but an old fashioned ignorant bigot. Why I bother to respond to a bigot I do not know, so obviously indoctrinated in his ways.
| Christians keen on keeping their children ignorant about sex end up having children who have ignorant, unsafe sex. |
A. If they are then they are doing the children a great disservice. A Christian, or any parent for that matter, should want to talk with their kids about sex rather then leaving that up to Hollywood and the government.
B. And to single Christians out, again, and act as if teen sex and pregnancy is only a “Christian” problem is just more evidence of your blatant bigotry.
| I would say this should be obvious, but it's amazing the number of Christians who oppose sex education in schools. |
“In schools” is the key here. I believe it's the parent's responsibility to teach their children about sex and not the governments. The fact that many parents now don't does/should not shift the burden of responsibility onto the government.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 20:46:46 [Permalink]
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Well, since this conversation is swirling the bowl with Bill pointing to others an claiming bigotry but fails to see his own with other religions, might as well inject some levity.
coloquialisms for anal sex
fudge packing
pounding the poop chute
Goin all Deliverance on ya
Greek style
pillowbiter
butt pirate
any more? Might as well.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 20:48:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
I just want to understand your definition of “best” first. |
When it was your definition of "better" that you volunteered to put under a magnifying glass?| I didn't see anything about Christians... |
The background is easy enough to find.
What's interesting is that Title V was signed by Clinton. I don't recall if, 12 years ago, there was a major outcry over this idiotic program, or if it got "snuck in" with a bunch of other amendments to Welfare Reform. But it's clear that Bush and Congress love the program. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 20:55:31 [Permalink]
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Bill wrote: | Now the key word here is hot. Two ugly women, or fat women, or fat ugly women making out usually do nothing for most normal guys. When they are turned on it is mostly by the fact that the women are hot and not by the fact that they are kissing another women. Again, most guys will be turned on by hot women doing anything, rather then fat and/or ugly women kissing. |
First, this is just a shitty, pompous thing to say. You used the word "normal" for men who are unable to be turned on by "fat and/or ugly"(we can only assume by conventional standards of beauty) women. This implies that men who are sexually attracted to overweight or conventionally unattractive women are abnormal, and not being normal is a pejorative. Basically you are insulting both fat/ugly women and the men who find them arousing (as certainly plenty do - just look at the alternative porn industry!)
But more importantly, Bill, your whole argument is that gay sex is unnatural 'cause (supposedly) most people think anal sex is gross. But if most people also think ugly people having sex is gross, it stands to your reasoning that ugly people having sex is unnatural.
Another answer is much better common sense: You are not turned on by fat women having sex because you personally don't find a generously full figure hot, and you are repulsed by men having sex because you personally are straight. Thankfully not everyone is like you. After all, variety is the spice of life.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 21:01:38 [Permalink]
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Bill's elegant arguments on anal sex carried to their logical end:
French kissing is a sex act which produces zero offspring. Clearly the mouth, teeth, and tongue are best suited for eating. STDs and other diseases are commonly spread by this act since the mouth is an opening in the body, teeming with germs. Most men are repulsed by the image of two men passionately open-mouth kissing, and most women are repulsed by this and by the image of two women passionately kissing. Men think women kissing is hot, but only if they are hot women doing it. Therefore french kissing is unnatural.
Edited to add: Nevermind that both straight and gay people have been open-mouth kissing for all of recorded history and that some animals engage in the same act. It's still unnatural!!! |
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Dave W.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 23:34:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
What is not to be turned off by two men, for the lack of a better term, fudge packing each other? It just ain't natural. Obviously, this was never designed to fit into that. And most honest people acknowledge that fact.
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Jesus, Bill! Just the mention of "unbalanced homophobia" assures your entrance, stage right, like Maynard G. Krebs in Doby Gillis ("You ring?"). You're a credit to slaveringly hateful, self-righteous bigots everywhere, Bill.
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JohnOAS
SFN Regular
Australia
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 04:37:10 [Permalink]
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Notch up another "C" for me, BPS.
Bill, your comments about "hot" vs "repulsive" are almost meaningless. Opinions like that are entirely subjective. Sure, you may be able to pick a few attributes which would get a majority approval/disapproval, but there are no absolutes as far as general taste is concerned.
To ask whether or not I'd prefer to watch two "hot" lesbians vs two "repulsive" lesbians is more than a little redundant, no? By definition, I've got to prefer the "hot" ones, as long as we're using my definition of hot. If it's your definition of hot or repulsive, then I truly can't say unless we agree on what qualifies one for membership of these groups.
Originally posted by Bill scott
Ramming any object, let alone another man's equipment, up the anal of another man, women, or child, I believe, is found disgusting by most. Sure you'll have a % that get into man/women anal sex, but I believe that % to be low among the hetro's |
I'm sure I've seen you use this phrasing before. Is the word "anus" also disgusting to you? It's just a word, Bill. And what prompted you to bring the children into the discussion?
As to why group "C" guys don't enjoy gay male porn, but don't mind the girl-girl action, could it not be, at least in part, summarized by the following highly complex equation:
One naked woman enjoying herself = good
Two (or more) naked women enjoying themselves = even better
Naked guys just reduce the amount of naked female flesh on display at any given time.
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John's just this guy, you know. |
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The secrets of men: unbalanced homophobia
