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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 04/06/2008 : 16:23:42 [Permalink]
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Now here's an interesting lump in the compost: On ABC's This Week, Republican strategist Dan Senor said that Condoleeza Rice has been actively campaigning to be John McCain's pick for Vice President.
Speaking of possible Vice President options for McCain, Senor said, "Condi Rice is an option. Tom Ridge is an option. Although, I think he'd have problems at the convention. Mitt Romney is an option. Condoleeza Rice has been actively campaigning for this. There's this ritual in Washington, The Americans for Tax Reform which is headed by Grover Norquist, holds a weekly meeting of conservative leaders, about 100 or 150 people. Sort of inside chattering class types and they all typically get briefings from political conservative leaders. Ten days ago, they had an interesting visit from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice."
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Hmm. I wonder if this would be an asset to McCain or not. At the moment, I don't think so, but whadda I know about conservative thought processes? 
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2008 : 16:36:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Boy, did the Democratic Party screw up when they restructured the primaries to get an early win for their leading candidate. (Hillary.) Talk about a backfire of epic proportions. |
Ugh. Michigan and Florida didn't move up their elections to get Hillary elected. I HATE the irrational Hillary hate.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2008 : 17:17:03 [Permalink]
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| Ugh. Michigan and Florida didn't move up their elections to get Hillary elected. I HATE the irrational Hillary hate. |
I must agree with you that there isn't evidence that Michigan and Florida put themselves ahead for a particular candidate. They might have done this, but I haven't seen anybody put forth any convincing evidence for it. I have a strong distaste for Hillary for various, rational reasons, but I also agree with you that many take their hatred for her too far and make claims about her which are not adequately supported. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2008 : 17:53:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by Kil
Boy, did the Democratic Party screw up when they restructured the primaries to get an early win for their leading candidate. (Hillary.) Talk about a backfire of epic proportions. |
Ugh. Michigan and Florida didn't move up their elections to get Hillary elected. I HATE the irrational Hillary hate.
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I don't suffer from Hillary hate. And I am talking about a lot of things like super delegates and such. It was assumed that this primary would be a cake walk for Hillary though... |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2008 : 19:24:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by Kil
Boy, did the Democratic Party screw up when they restructured the primaries to get an early win for their leading candidate. (Hillary.) Talk about a backfire of epic proportions. |
Ugh. Michigan and Florida didn't move up their elections to get Hillary elected. I HATE the irrational Hillary hate.
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I don't suffer from Hillary hate. And I am talking about a lot of things like super delegates and such. It was assumed that this primary would be a cake walk for Hillary though...
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Huh. I didn't know that the restructured primaries had anything to do with super delegates, but the whole thing is complex, so who knows.
And I don't know if I quite got the Hillary cake-walk sentiment, but perhaps it's true. Either way, the notion that said restructured primaries had to do with Clinton is silly. As this Op-ed notes, Michigan was one of many states that felt it odd that Iowa and New Hampshire always got to dominate the early election scene.
Things get complicated from there, but suffice it to say that the jostling of primaries (and subsequent penalties) had little to do with pushing one candidate or another. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 04/07/2008 : 10:09:43 [Permalink]
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Mycroft.....
| Okay, so you're claiming insider information that leads you to believe Gore will make some kind of major power-play before or during the nomonation? |
Mycroft, I have some disposable income. I am deeply concerned about the condition of the country I live in, a country I love, and a country that has been very, very good to me - and I have seen many, many others!
Bush/Cheney have hideously damaged the US and all that it used to stand for. I very strongly want to see this situation reversed, or at least ameliorated.
Politically, I am a fierce independent, and have been for many years, ever since Reagan! Prior to Reagan, I was a Republican, mostly! I became a Democrat, mostly, after seeing the effects of unbridled capitalism, the cancerous growth of huge corporations, the accumulation of obscene wealth by relatively few power/money brokers, and the "industrial-military complex" of Eisenhower begin to destroy this country, ravage the poor, and stress the very existence of the middle class (of which I aspire to be a menber but my circumstances prohibit!)
I don't give a shit if either Hillary or Obama wins the White House. I would be for Nader if he had a chance in hell. He doesn't. I want a Democrat, any Democrat, in the White House, because the conservative-liberal pendulum has swung way too far right! In time the reverse will come to pass and it will be time to kick out the liberals.
When that happens, as it will, I will (if I am still alive) support Republican politics again, or, much better, Independent third party politics if they have a chance to win!
I contribute heavily to the Democratic Party in an effort to help Democrats - particularly congressional Democrats - get elected. I do not contribute to either Ms. Clinton's or Mr. Obama's campaigns.
When a person contributes significant sums to a political party, he gains access to communication with party officials - "inside information" - if you like that conspiratorial characterization.
From the communications I have had, which are not frequent, I strongly feel that Gore will figure strongly in shaping party policies if the Clinton-Obama fight continues to the convention floor. Exactly how, neither I nor anyone else including Gore himself knows here in April! If Clinton withdraws, the sooner the better, Gore will definitely not be further involved, and I very seriously doubt that he would accept the VP, although Obama may make the gesture! Biden is a strong possibility for VP, but Richardson is holding the marker!
You, Tinkerbell, or anyone else can receive the same "inside information" if you wish to pay a significant sum for it by way of political contribution of one sort or another - there are many!
What it is worth is about the same as any information that is informed opinion as contrasted with simple speculation - higher chance of coming true, but no where close to certainty!
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bngbuck
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USA
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Posted - 04/09/2008 : 00:03:25 [Permalink]
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| Rep. Monique Davis (D-Chicago) interrupted atheist activist Rob Sherman during his testimony Wednesday afternoon before the House State Government Administration Committee in Springfield and told him, "What you have to spew and spread is extremely dangerous . . . it's dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists! |
Keith Olbermann featured Ms. Davis as one of his "worst persons in the world" on his Tuesday night show Countdown.
I have to admit I'm ashamed to be identified as a Democrat with retarded imbeciles like this one showing up as high-profile Democrats! |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/09/2008 : 04:58:42 [Permalink]
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If Representative Davis had a dick, I'd say she just stepped on it (old, Southern colloquialism). Her little bit of hysterics is all over the net and there are calls out for her resignation. Es & calls to her office go unanswered. This might be encouraging in an serendipitous sort of way. There ain't all that many atheists around, and all of the outrage is not from us.
It's nice to know that so many people, believers & non, are familiar with at least a little of the Constitution. I do not think she'll be in office next term.
I was rather struck by her knee-jerk, straw man of demanding that Mr. Sherman do something about guns in the hands of children. When you think about it, that was the crowning moment of her tirade because the authorities, if they're awake, are doing something. Mr. Sherman is not a law enforcement officer nor a legislator.
It also shows an unacceptable intolerance that is all too common among the fundamentalist Bible set, and these are the ones who would change the Constitution, to the detriment of everyone else.
Now then, just where the hell does the state of Illinois get off supporting some church or other with $1,000,000 -- let us not lose sight of that little stench in the Spring-time breeze! Hey, if they can give a mil to some Baptist outfit, then they can damned well lay some on the Buddhists, the Muslims, the Hindus, The Wicca, et al., and I could use a few bucks my self.
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
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Posted - 04/09/2008 : 06:50:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Would you like to see Gore as the Democratic nominee for the Presidency? Especially if either Hillary or Obama had to win the nomination by a squeaking margin or hip-pocket super delegate votes?
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This would be great - the Democratic party throws out it's entire primary process, all the millions of votes cast to produce the deadlock between the white woman and a black man candidates, in favor of the middle aged white guy who was never even on the ballot. I'd love to see the reactions of all the various stake-holders.  |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 04/09/2008 : 07:05:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
I was rather struck by her knee-jerk, straw man of demanding that Mr. Sherman do something about guns in the hands of children...
Now then, just where the hell does the state of Illinois get off supporting some church or other with $1,000,000... |
The supreme irony is that Davis was not arguing that the million bucks should have been used to keep guns out of the schools. |
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
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Posted - 04/09/2008 : 07:05:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
| Ugh. Michigan and Florida didn't move up their elections to get Hillary elected. I HATE the irrational Hillary hate. |
I must agree with you that there isn't evidence that Michigan and Florida put themselves ahead for a particular candidate. They might have done this, but I haven't seen anybody put forth any convincing evidence for it. I have a strong distaste for Hillary for various, rational reasons, but I also agree with you that many take their hatred for her too far and make claims about her which are not adequately supported.
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Michigan moved up it's primary because the current primary process usually leaves us with a forgone conclusion before we ever get a chance to vote. And since the Federal government has all but ignored our very serious economic problems for the last 8 years we got a little desperate and figured we'd at least have some input into the electoral process if our primary was earlier. And we had nothing to lose - if the DNC threw out our delegates what difference would it make? We usually don't have real input in the candidate choice anyway, so go ahead, throw them out. But don't expect a check from my disenfranchised ass this year Dr. Dean.
All that said, this has become a real snafu. It was very short-sighted for the DNC to dig in it's heals and call MI and FL's bluff. They had to know that throwing out our delegates would alientate all the voters and doners ffs! Why not address our concerns and come to a friggin' compromise??? That's what political statesmenship is all about Dr. Dean. Now the party's screwing itself for the general election, which is, god help us, tightening up, and two key states are loaded with pissed off democrats. Stupid stupid stupid. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2008 : 06:49:47 [Permalink]
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This makes me feel slightly better about Davis's bigoted rant; from Eric Zorn of the Chicago Tribune: I know from experience that many of you will side with Davis (update -- apparently I was wrong! ), but I ask you to consider what the outcry would have been if a lawmaker had launched a similar attack on the beliefs of a religious person.
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UPDATE -- Daily Kos readers have hundred of comments on this story. Boing Boing is covering as well. So is the Huffington Post. The Council for Secular Humanism in Amherst, NY is calling upon Davis to resign. |
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/04/rep-monique-dav.html
I'm going to write my letter expressing outrage and send it tonight.
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/10/2008 : 07:00:36 [Permalink]
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| Din't know you we're from Michigan Chaloobi. Now that we have the majority, we can crush all before our path! DOWN WITH OHIO! |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
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Posted - 04/10/2008 : 10:16:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Din't know you we're from Michigan Chaloobi. Now that we have the majority, we can crush all before our path! DOWN WITH OHIO!
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Yeah, I'm in the Detroit suburbs. You?
Ah, the irony of rust belt rivalry.... At one time I felt comofortable lookind down on Ohio (who wouldn't?). But now that even those neanderthals have banned smoking in bars and restaurants, I'm having an identity crisis. How can they possibly be more civilized than us? |
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