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Orwellingly Yurz
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USA
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 Posted - 04/23/2008 : 19:06:02
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YO:
Please reassure me that Hillary's strategy isn't to damage Obama to the point where he can't run or win and she can't win, so John McCain will; then, run against McCain at 76 years-old to win in 2012 when she is only 64? Maybe her campaign song should be the Beatle tune, "When I'm 64,"
Lots of people singing her praises now (Pat Buchanan for one; HA), will drop her like a hot rock when the general election campaign kicks in. By the time the Rovians get through with her, the dummies of the electorate (which we all know are at least 28%) will believe she was once Leon Trotsky's lover and that Obama has a time-share cave in a mountain on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
The country can't wait another 4 years after 8 of George Herbert Hoover Bush to get its act together. Hope all the guys in Hillary's camp have thought that through.
Obama's a Democrat. Hillary is a Democrat. John McCain is a member of the Keating Five, sucking up (now) to the The Church of Later Day Jerry Falwells and forgetting about what Bush said about McCain when running against Shrub.
The only thing that Ronald Reagan ever said that has any worth, for me, is the invocation of his 'Eleventh Commandment.' Except even more so for Democrats, though. Makes real sense since Ronnie himself is a turncoat Democrat.
I'll still vote for Hillary, but doing what she's doing now, she'll lose to McCain----the economy notwithstanding. That outcome would make the depression that looms much worse than the one going on when I was born.
Orwellingly Yurz - A Real Democrat
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@tomic
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Posted - 04/23/2008 : 21:58:15 [Permalink]
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Ya know, I was always pissed when the GOP used fear of terrism near election time and I am just as pissed when Hillary does it. If she's willing to do anything, and I mean anything, to win an election can you believe anything she says?
Shouldn't have to worry about deciding whether or not to vote for her, though. It's damn near impossible for her to win the nomination fairly.
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Chippewa
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USA
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Posted - 04/23/2008 : 22:40:22 [Permalink]
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Several pundits on CNN and MSNBC have touched on their own recent informal surveys implying more Hillary supporters would not vote for Obama if he gets the nomination and many more Obama supporters would (begrudgingly) vote for Hillary, if she were nominated. Like OY I'm in the Obama camp but would vote for Hillary if she were nominated. (I wouldn't like it but consider the alternative: Not voting = (a tacit vote for McCain.) (And voting for McCain is not an option in my book.)
However, there are still a lot of people out there, (not necessarily on this website,) who are so incredibly dumb that they overlook Shrub's totally asinine past presidency.
Personally, I think Obama is top notch, and Hillary, though very smart if totally disingenuous, is (to paraphrase Bill Maher's description of John Kerry four years ago,) like cold, dry, day old macaroni out of the refrigerator. But the alternative of Bush=McCain is spit and shit. |
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@tomic
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Posted - 04/23/2008 : 23:14:35 [Permalink]
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| Several pundits on CNN and MSNBC have touched on their own recent informal surveys implying more Hillary supporters would not vote for Obama if he gets the nomination and many more Obama supporters would (begrudgingly) vote for Hillary, if she were nominated. |
Considering that CNN's own exit polling showed that Obama got the majority of Republicans that switched to Democrat I think that's utter crap. My own opinion is that if the exit polling is true and Hillary ends up with the nomination the new Democrats switch back and vote for McCain and many of the younger voters revert to their previous disenchanted state and stay home and don't vote just like they did for Kerry.
So perhaps some Obama supporters will support Hillary but since they will feel cheated many of them will stay home. Inother words, Hillary could get the nomination but I would bet money she'll never, ever be President.
Did you notice all the conservative commentators admiring Hillary on the various newscasts? Do you think that's genuine? Any guesses why they want to encourage her? I would hope superdelegates are smart enough to figure that out. Then again, considering the enormous mess the Democratic elite has made of the nomination process they may not know their heads from their assholes. Gotta wonder about that excellent Dean leadership...wherever it went off to. Lucky thing he never became President!
I also want to mention that the pundits don't seem to be bothered by facts or the data they've collected. It's like they take turns spinning the big fallacy wheel and make a bad argument based on whatever the wheel lands on.
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@tomic
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Is Hillary in League with Rove ?
