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the_ignored
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 Posted - 04/30/2002 : 18:06:00
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There seems to still be some confusion about what happened with Cassie Bernall at the Columbine School shooting. See: http://www.yesibelieve.com/index.html
Apologies if this opens up old wounds, but aren't christians supposed to hold for the "truth"?
This is the source for the quotes below: (please note that the Atheists got their news from the cops investigating the incident in the first place!):
http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/colo12.htm br /
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It seem possible, then, that the a combination of factors may account for the earlier attributions regarding Cassie Bernall and her alleged conversation with her killer, Eric Harris. The diagram assembled by the Sheriff's Department investigators shows four witnesses in Bernall's area, with a fifth at the far (east) end of the library. The murder of Valeen Schnurr took place at the east side of the room, with one witness proximate. Both victims referred to "God," but in the context of exclamatory alarm. The only taunting or conversation took place in the confrontation between Klebold and Valeen Schnurr.
There was, however, a conversation earlier, on the west side of the library. This did not involve Cassie Bernall, but rather was an exchange between Eric Harris -- responsible for murdering Bernall -- and another female student, Bree Pasquale...
"Harris asked her if she wanted to die. As the girl pleaded for her life, she observed blood flowing from his (Harris) nose. She later said that Harris seemed disoriented for a moment but was unable to refocus when Klebold called his attention to table 16 under which two boys were hiding..."
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It is here, in this section of the library, where tragic events unfolded which could explain at least some of the roots of the "martyrdom" claims surrounding Cassie Bernall.
At this point in the timeline narrative, says the Sheriff's report, Klebold shot out a display cabinet, and fired toward another table injuring a student. He then fired under "table 2", injuring Valeen Schnurr and Lisa Kreutz; Klebold then walks beside the table "to fire as fast as his gun would shoot," killing another victim.
"While Klebold was at table 2, Harris stopped near table 3 under which two girls were hiding. He looked under the table and, upon seeing them, simply said 'Pathetic' and walked away."
The report then discusses Valeen Schnurr, who had been injured by Klebold while she was under table 2.
"Valeen, who was critically hurt, began to cry, 'Oh God, help me.' Klebold, who had shot her, came back and taunted her about her belief in God. He then walked away..."
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Eric Harris proceeded to a nearby library table designated "table 19" in the report, "where he bent down and saw two frightened girls. He slapped the table top twice, said 'Peek-a-boo," and fired, killing Cassie Bernall. After shooting Cassie, Harris made a comment about hitting himself in the face. Investigators believe Harris broke his nose as a result of the 'kick' from the shotgun when he bent to fire under the table..."
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An Associated Press report even claimed that after being confronted by the gunman and asked if she believed in God, Bernall "closed her eyes and clasped her hands in prayer" as she was murdered. Chuck Colson, former Watergate crook-turned- evangelist who now heads Prison Fellowship Ministries, announced that Bernall "was in the school library reading her Bible." (In fact, she was studying for a Shakespeare exam when Harris and Klebold stormed into the room.)
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A report issued by the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department on the April 20, 1999 shootings at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado does not substantiate earlier claims made by religious groups that gunmen specifically targeted Christian youngsters during their killing spree, or murdered one student after she expressed her belief in a deity.
The voluminous summary was released last week on CD-ROM format, incorporating nearly 700 pages of text plus audio and video clips, and photographs. Department officials conducted approximately 5,000 witness interviews and analyzed over 10,000 pieces of evidence from the crime scene. There are no blockbuster revelations, and many of the details had already leaked to the media. Complaints from victims' relatives, though, charge that the department had stonewalled them on details of the shootings which claimed the lives of 12 students and a teacher from Columbine. The gunmen, Columbine seniors Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, committed suicide after the rampage.
from: http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/colo11.htm br / " target="_blank"> http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/colo11.htm br /
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"It was discrepancies in student accounts that led police to question the Bernall testimonial," reported the News. "Students told differing accounts of the shooting in the library."
The circumstances of the library shooting, and the possible myth-making surrounding the death of Cassie Bernall could turn out to be one of the more explosive and controversial parts of the official summary on the Columbine incident. Investigators have reportedly succeeded in reconstructing a rigorous timeline, though, of where Klebold and Harris were at any one point as they moved about the school. The report will confirm that Klebold and Harris killed ten of their victims, and took their own lives, in the library. A special "Library Team" was assembled by the investigators, and headed by Arvada Detective Russ Boatright.
Lead investigator Kate Battan said, "Because of the nature of what occurred in the library, I wanted it (the report) done right."
At least one other sheriff's office detective, Diane Obbema and FBI Special Agent John Elvig played key roles in this phase of the probe.
There are also tantalizing hints that investigators are digging in to defend what may prove to be a controversial finding about what occurred in the library. The Post story quotes Detective Battan saying, "We went back to the library time and time again... We'd say, 'This witness says this happened. Is it possible from where they were sitting? Can you see where they were at? Can you see what they said they saw?' "
How thorough is the final report going to be? "Shot by shot, we know," said Battan. "Minute by minute -- and in many cases second by second -- we know all that."
Will the report be the conclusive denouement of an American tragedy that took place nearly 11 months ago?
A separate Denver Post story quotes Cassie Bernall's father Brad saying, "We're interested to see how they (investigators) describe the events, I guess, but we don't look forward to it." He added, "I haven't read anything yet that's been of any comfort, and this won't contribute to any positive building in our lives."
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PhDreamer
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Posted - 05/01/2002 : 06:32:23 [Permalink]
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I have a feeling this is how stories like Roswell get out of hand.
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
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Lars_H
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Xev
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Posted - 05/01/2002 : 08:46:37 [Permalink]
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*Shrugs*
Brats shouldn't have taunted Klebold and Harris for all their High School years, eh?
So, the fundies are lying again, and using the dead for their own sick agendas. Suprising.
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Trish
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Posted - 05/01/2002 : 13:11:25 [Permalink]
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Unfortunately for those who were at Columbine that day (among them a couple of young people I know) stuff like this coming out again and again, won't seem to let that day rest for them. One young lady was a student counsellor (I have no clue why I can't think how to spell this right now, anyway...) she still has trouble with what happened there that day. She's 19 and has her head on straight despite everything she's been through. The shooting rampage overshadowed another tragedy at Columbine HS. The rape of 15 (if I recall correctly) young women by the captain of the football team. Five of whom became pregnant as a result of the rape. This never made the news, though the rapes occurred about November of 98 and came to light when several of the girls who were pregnant reported being raped by the same person.
I don't know if there is a media report of this incident, I haven't looked, I know one of the young ladies involved. She was the student counsellor.
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PhDreamer
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Posted - 05/01/2002 : 13:34:00 [Permalink]
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Just FYI, look for Bowling Columbine from filmmaker Michael Moore (of Roger & Me infamy) later this year perhaps. I understand it's a critique of the 'culture of violence' that surrounds the city, whatever that means.
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Trish
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Posted - 05/07/2002 : 13:00:11 [Permalink]
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Just FYI, look for Bowling Columbine from filmmaker Michael Moore (of Roger & Me infamy) later this year perhaps. I understand it's a critique of the 'culture of violence' that surrounds the city, whatever that means.
Culture of violence that surrounds the city. They want to make this a movie? Am I understanding this correctly? Why?
There really isn't that much violence there, even among the 'counter culture' teens. More adults seem to make more of this than the kids.
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 05/07/2002 : 19:25:27 [Permalink]
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They want to make this a movie? Am I understanding this correctly? Why?
Michael Moore is one of the biggest idiots of our time, so maybe that explains it...
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Trish
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Posted - 05/08/2002 : 09:46:59 [Permalink]
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Michael Moore is one of the biggest idiots of our time, so maybe that explains it...
Sick Bastard.
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 05/08/2002 : 09:55:30 [Permalink]
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Michael Moore is one of the biggest idiots of our time, so maybe that explains it...
Sick Bastard.
Who, me?! Or Michael Moore?! 
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Trish
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Posted - 05/08/2002 : 10:08:10 [Permalink]
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Moore, I should think.
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...no one has ever found a 4.5 billion year old stone artifact (at the right geological stratum) with the words "Made by God."
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