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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
 Posted - 05/13/2002 : 00:37:56
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Poll Question:
Is it time for the US to remove the sanctions against Cuba?
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| Yes |
 [77%] |
79 votes |
| Partly |
[11%] |
11 votes |
| Maybe |
[3%] |
3 votes |
| No |
[9%] |
9 votes |
| 0 |
[0%] |
0 votes |
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Total Votes: 102 counted »» |
Last Vote:
09/05/2005 16:11:55 |
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
392 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2002 : 08:35:36 [Permalink]
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We are 30+ years overdue!
Are we so insecure about our political and economic systems that we must outlaw all others?
I, for one, think that we in the U.S., under the Constitution, may have the best political system in the World--perhaps the best that the world has ever seen. (I admit that the Constitution is little followed.  )
I also think that, under the Constitution, and following the basic precepts of true-Capitalism, we may have evolved one of the best economic systems in the world. (I also admit that there is very little true capitalism in what has become a most-wonderous gambling-casino.  )
Why, I wonder, are we so afraid of Cuba--a place the size of Maryland (but with many more mountains)?
Do thou amend thy face, and I'll amend my life. --Falstaff |
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Mespo_man
Skeptic Friend
USA
312 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2002 : 08:32:20 [Permalink]
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quote:
Why, I wonder, are we so afraid of Cuba--a place the size of Maryland (but with many more mountains)? [Computer Org]
I don't think it's fear CO. Its politics. There is a very large Cuban exile community in Miami that wants to see the "bearded bastard" dead. They will have nothing to do with him and will not support (vote for) any President or Congressman that does. No conservative Republican administration will EVER acknowledge Castro. It's a congressional election year, don't 'cha know.
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
1370 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2002 : 21:22:45 [Permalink]
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NO! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
We Canadians want all those beaches to ourselves!
But seriously folks... All Castro's been saying for forty-odd years is, "Look, you may have a lot of other countries under your thumb, but we won't be one of them. We will be ourselves."
I know he hasn't actually used those words, but I think his feelings are pretty clear. And I think the fact that he's been fairly successful at it is what gets the right-wing upset. So they hope that by ignoring him he'll go away.
Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom. |
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Espritch
Skeptic Friend
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2002 : 07:50:36 [Permalink]
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Castro is a ruthless little dictator but the trade embargo hasn't worked in 30 some years and it isn't going to work. Trade embargos tend to hurt everyone except those they are targeted against. It's time we started looking beyond Castro to the future.
As the old saying goes, the essence of insanity is to keep trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
392 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2002 : 13:01:09 [Permalink]
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quote:
Mespo_man responds to C. Org's question:
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Why, I wonder, are we so afraid of Cuba--a place the size of Maryland (but with many more mountains)? [Computer Org]
I don't think it's fear CO. Its politics. There is a very large Cuban exile community in Miami that wants to see the "bearded bastard" dead. They will have nothing to do with him and will not support (vote for) any President or Congressman that does. No conservative Republican administration will EVER acknowledge Castro. It's a congressional election year, don't 'cha know.
(:raig
You are absolutely right--no arguments from me despite the hideous stench rising from its disgusting truth.
(On the other hand, your observation serves as a beautiful illustration of  Why the Constitution never mentions the word "democracy" yet requires that the United States insure a "republican form of government" to each of the States.)
Thirty+ years ago, aha!, there was no "large Cuban exile community in Miami", just a bunch of escapee-exiles, not eligible to vote, who were hoping, hoping, hoping (--and praying, too--) that we would let them stay in South Florida.
That was the context of my questioon: "Why are we afraid of [the] Cuba[n political and economic systems]?"
We, of course, aren't afraid of Cuba--and never were. We were just acting out of embarrassment after the ugly debacle of the Bay of Pigs invasion--a la mode of Bush_I's Panama invasion, but vastly more poorly executed.
Do thou amend thy face, and I'll amend my life. --Falstaff |
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Mespo_man
Skeptic Friend
USA
312 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2002 : 06:16:30 [Permalink]
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I believe it was CBS "Sunday Morning" that did a little piece on Cuba during Carter's visit. The foreign investment in Cuba now exceeds $1 billion from Europe, Canada, South America and Asia. But the real irony is that the Cuban exiles in Florida who so adamantly oppose Castro, send hard U.S. currency to their relatives to the tune of $800-900 million a year. So, who is the U.S. trying to kid?
I agree with you, Rat. Why muck up the pristine beaches around Havanna with Yankee Imperialists? But, tell me. What's the Spanish slang term for "Canadian"? And do the Cubans accept Canadian dollars?
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Chagur
New Member
USA
21 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2002 : 17:21:32 [Permalink]
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Lets face it. It isn't just the Cuban community that is against it, the American capitalists are scared shitless that enough Americans might see that a socialist state can work far better in many regards than our so highly touted free, capitalist democracy and cause a bit of an uproar.
Take care all.
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2002 : 18:13:15 [Permalink]
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Lets face it. It isn't just the Cuban community that is against it, the American capitalists are scared shitless that enough Americans might see that a socialist state can work far better in many regards than our so highly touted free, capitalist democracy and cause a bit of an uproar.
Interesting. In which regards does Cuban 'socialism' work better than our "free, capitalist democracy"?
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2002 : 22:53:57 [Permalink]
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Interesting. In which regards does Cuban 'socialism' work better than our "free, capitalist democracy"?
I second that question.
And I want to know why, if Cuban socialism is 'good' (i.e. health care), why do so many Cubans risk death by drowning in the ocean to leave Cuba and come here?
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2002 : 00:47:39 [Permalink]
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And I want to know why, if Cuban socialism is 'good' (i.e. health care), why do so many Cubans risk death by drowning in the ocean to leave Cuba and come here?
Never been to Cuba myself, but those of my friends who have all claim that the Cubans main interest is those little green pieces of paper with American presidents on.
My Cuba visiting amigos also come from highly touted free, capitalist democracies. They have no longing for Cuban socialism. |
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The SollyLama
Skeptic Friend
USA
234 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2002 : 15:22:23 [Permalink]
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Yeah, I agree that if Cuba was worth a shit, they wouldn't be swimming over here all the time. Not too many Americans risking the sharks for a new life under Castro.
Cuba MIGHT have been a nice place. But they pissed us off so we cut them out of the loop. The average cuban is worse off than your average mexican, which is saying alot. Don't side with commies. Simple enough.
But US 'fear' of cuba's economy? HA!! Yeah, the same system that served the russians so well............
Bleed for me, I've bled for you. Embrace me child, I'll see you through. |
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chelle_baby1984
New Member
United Kingdom
2 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2004 : 11:15:31 [Permalink]
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| You Americans really need to get over your self. I have never heard so much bulls**t in my life. |
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Badger
Skeptic Friend
Canada
257 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2004 : 12:32:21 [Permalink]
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You Americans really need to get over your self. I have never heard so much bulls**t in my life.
You couldn't be a bit more specific, could you? |
If you think it's work, you're doing it wrong. |
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latinijral
Banned
197 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2005 : 18:12:06 [Permalink]
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Poll Question:
Is it time for the world to give sanctions against USA?
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Father of the new skepticism
Cuneiformist "But yeah, I'm sick of latinijral. And his "new "skepticism"! |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2005 : 18:45:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by latinijral
Poll Question:
Is it time for the world to give sanctions against USA?
I dunno about the timing, but it won't happen. We are simply too dangerous, even to our friends. And with our current idiot's administration, all bets are off. Not even they know what they'll do next.
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