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ljbrs
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 Posted - 05/25/2002 : 18:47:35 [Permalink]
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I never argue with Christians (or other religious proselytizers). I avoid them. Arguments about nonsensical ideas are futile and wasteful of my (and their) time. True believers are very, very sad.
Yawn... 
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Kacey
Skeptic Friend
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2002 : 19:14:54 [Permalink]
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james posted:
Kacey, do you think it's possible that there is life out in space? In one form or another, be it simple life, like bacteria,
or complex and intelligent life kinda like ourselves?
My initial answer is no. Evolution is impossible. It did not happen on earth and I don't believe it is possible to happen any where else.
On the other hand, Angels are creatd beings and their out there some where. Still I believe it is possible that God could have created life on other planets. The bible is silent on this topic.
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James
SFN Regular
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Posted - 05/25/2002 : 22:02:51 [Permalink]
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quote:
james posted:
Kacey, do you think it's possible that there is life out in space? In one form or another, be it simple life, like bacteria, or complex and intelligent life kinda like ourselves?
[red]My initial answer is no. Evolution is impossible. It did not happen on earth and I don't believe it is possible to happen any where else.
On the other hand, Angels are creatd beings and their out there some where. Still I believe it is possible that God could have created life on other planets. The bible is silent on this topic.
So, if evidence were found that there was life in outer space, be it simple or complex(I'm betting on simple), would you say that it was real and that we aren't alone in the universe or would you say that it was impossible? Given the size of our universe(age is unimportant right now), wouldn't you say that there is life out there, somewhere? IMO, until we get off our collective butts and get out there and find out for ourselves, I say that there is. Simple or complex, I don't know. But given how mixed up our planet is, would you really want to contact a planet like ours if your technology was really sophisticated?
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 05/26/2002 : 00:51:06 [Permalink]
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Any discussion with Kacey is a wate of time. He would eny that Saturday came after Friday just to annoy people. It's not that he's clever, or smart or has anything to contribute besides "No it isn't..."
What I should do is just delete all the topics he started so visitors here don't waste their time when they could be reading something halfway intelligent.
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Kacey
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/26/2002 : 05:25:23 [Permalink]
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quote:
Any discussion with Kacey is a wate of time. He would eny that Saturday came after Friday just to annoy people. It's not that he's clever, or smart or has anything to contribute besides "No it isn't..."
What I should do is just delete all the topics he started so visitors here don't waste their time when they could be reading something halfway intelligent.
@tomic
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
Hmmmmm, now I didn't think @tomic was into censorship.
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Kacey
Skeptic Friend
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2002 : 05:35:14 [Permalink]
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So, if evidence were found that there was life in outer space, be it simple or complex(I'm betting on simple), would
you say that it was real and that we aren't alone in the universe or would you say that it was impossible? Given the
size of our universe(age is unimportant right now), wouldn't you say that there is life out there, somewhere? IMO,
until we get off our collective butts and get out there and find out for ourselves, I say that there is. Simple or
complex, I don't know. But given how mixed up our planet is, would you really want to contact a planet like ours if
your technology was really sophisticated?
I don't think it's that simple James. For example, lets say we found simple life on Mars. Would that prove life evolved there...or would it prove it was seeded there from earth. You've heard the scenario, an asteroid strikes earth and knocks a few chunks of earth to Mars.
As far as space travel goes...to answer your technology question...You need to understand that man can only excelerate so fast or else we die. If it were possible to travel at the speed of light it would take man many many years just to reach light speed while excelerating at a safe rate. Then to slow down would take the same amount of time. You know we can't stop on a dime at warp speed. If that were true the astronauts would crash through the front sensor array.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2002 : 10:28:50 [Permalink]
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I guess you are not aware of how the law works. SFN is not publicly owned so technically we can do what we want. I don't think that a decision on our part to not suffer fools is censorship. It's more like trimming the fat. I'd say "know what I mean?" but if there is one thing you have proven to us, you don't know.
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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
630 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2002 : 12:03:07 [Permalink]
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I knew that we could talk like civilized people about other topics.
I am curious. How did you come to your opinion about things like UFOs. Did you use scientific methode or was it more of an emotional process? Do you think that the skeptical mindset that we here claim to use is a valid at all and we are just using it wrong or do you think that the whole idea is flawed?
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I don't think it's that simple James. For example, lets say we found simple life on Mars. Would that prove life evolved there...or would it prove it was seeded there from earth. You've heard the scenario, an asteroid strikes earth and knocks a few chunks of earth to Mars.
It is usually considered the onther way around by the panspermia crowd, but I guess if you belive if don't belive all the stuff those theories are founded on it would also work in return.
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As far as space travel goes...to answer your technology question...You need to understand that man can only excelerate so fast or else we die. If it were possible to travel at the speed of light it would take man many many years just to reach light speed while excelerating at a safe rate. Then to slow down would take the same amount of time. You know we can't stop on a dime at warp speed. If that were true the astronauts would crash through the front sensor array.
Kacey
I've read the end of the bible....the Christians win.
Well, if it were possible to reach lightspeed (no einstein) it would take about one year to reach it at an accealration the human is 'designed' for. (10 m/s˛ ~ 1 lightyear/year˛)
But even if we accept Einstein and relativistic we could accelerate to and from large fractions of lightspeed at for human berable gravities within years. The weakest link is not the capabilities of the human body, but the energy we would need for such accelerations.
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Badger
Skeptic Friend
Canada
257 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2002 : 12:49:23 [Permalink]
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Kacey, you said:
"Sigh. I hope you understand why I'm not going to address your last post. Tell me why I should waste my time attemptimg to answer such ad-hoc sillyness like your question above? "
No real reason, except that I asked. If you don't wish to correct my misunderstandings, that's fine. As I said, you don't have to answer if you don't want to. You've already supplied me with some insights, so thanks.
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Xev
Skeptic Friend
USA
329 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2002 : 13:20:40 [Permalink]
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Kindly do not feed the troll. You are not going to change its mind by doing so.
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Kacey
Skeptic Friend
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2002 : 15:30:00 [Permalink]
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I guess you are not aware of how the law works. SFN is not publicly owned so technically we can do what we want. I don't think that a decision on our part to not suffer fools is censorship. It's more like trimming the fat. I'd say "know what I mean?" but if there is one thing you have proven to us, you don't know.
@tomic
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
@tomic, you do whatever you feel you need to do. I suggest you go re-read the thread titled "rules violation" and start by cleaning up your own house first.
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Kacey
Skeptic Friend
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2002 : 15:36:48 [Permalink]
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I knew that we could talk like civilized people about other topics.
I am curious. How did you come to your opinion about things like UFOs. Did you use scientific methode or was it more of an emotional process? Do you think that the skeptical mindset that we here claim to use is a valid at all and we are just using it wrong or do you think that the whole idea is flawed?
I think if you read my post you would have seen the answer. Did you notice an emotionan process involved?
As with my creation beliefs, there is also no emotion involved when the scientific facts fit the bible.....except for the feeling of loss you evos must be having.
Speaking of emotional process, @tomic is trying to figure out a way to nix me and save face. So far I have broken no board laws...except by upsetting his little club house....
My prediction is that he'll just do it. Kinda like flexing his muscle. Good little evo/skeptic censor.
Kacey
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 05/26/2002 : 15:43:17 [Permalink]
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Save face? I have no idea where you dragged that from. Forum rules are not all that apply here. You came here to do nothing but fill up space with utter nonsense as you have been doing across message boards for years. You have the exact same message and employ the exact same tactics. No one could learn anything new from your posts here that they couldn't learn elsewhere since your posts have been virtually identical for 6 years.
I won't be answering any more posts on this matter because the way this site is run is not your business. We can and will get rid of posts that exist for no reason than to frustrate people and as far as I am concerned that is exactly what you are doing.
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Kacey
Skeptic Friend
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2002 : 15:55:06 [Permalink]
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Save face? I have no idea where you dragged that from. Forum rules are not all that apply here. You came here to do nothing but fill up space with utter nonsense as you have been doing across message boards for years. You have the exact same message and employ the exact same tactics. No one could learn anything new from your posts here that they couldn't learn elsewhere since your posts have been virtually identical for 6 years.
I won't be answering any more posts on this matter because the way this site is run is not your business. We can and will get rid of posts that exist for no reason than to frustrate people and as far as I am concerned that is exactly what you are doing.
@tomic
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
So Mr. administrator, present your case. All I hear are claims. All I see are flames fired by you skeptical evolutionist. Go read the rules violation post.
It's one thing to accuse...it's another to demonstrate it. Of course this board does seem a little communistic in nature so I do expect you to send me away just because you have the muscle.
Why are you a bigot?
Kacey
I've read the end of the bible....the Christians win. |
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Xev
Skeptic Friend
USA
329 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2002 : 16:23:32 [Permalink]
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Kayce, I have yet to close a topic, and I should like some practice.
Shall I practice with this one, or will you post things of relevence?
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