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Kacey
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 Posted - 05/24/2002 : 14:30:22 [Permalink]
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jESUS IS THE CREATOR
Kacey, if you call Jesus the creator, therefore you must believe him to be God. Since the OT makes no mention of Jesus, or the Trinity, except in creatively interpreted prophesy, then we must assume that the NT is our only source for your assertion. So, let's see what Mr. Christ has to say about this....
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Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Here, we see an obvious separation of God and Christ, in J's own words.
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Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
According to Ryrie, "Good" was a designation reserved, in the absolute sense, for God. Jesus was reacting to being addressed thus by someone who had no awareness of his divine nature.
The seperation is a trumped up charge presnted by people who have no understanding of the verse.
So... J says it twice. He really must have meant it. Go figure how so many fundies think homosexuality is wrong, and J mentioned that not one darned time. Hmmm...
The bible mention that it is wrong. Both Old and New testament.
LEV 18:22 "' Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
LEV 20:13 "' If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
ROM 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
1CO 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
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Kacey
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Posted - 05/24/2002 : 14:34:31 [Permalink]
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Ante, whether you believe in Jesus Christ or not isn't my problem. It's yours.
Now despite your non belief in Jesus, the bible claims He is God and was the creator.
Sorry, but that is what it says. The verses I presented in both post indicate this.
A simple one line answer from you refutes absolutly nothing.
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Jesus is the creator
So what? Naoko Takeuchi is the creator of Sailor Moon!
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A. PROVED BY HIS NAME.
1. God (Heb 1:8).
2. Son of God (Matt 16:6; 26:61-64).
3. Lord (Matt 22:43-45).
4. King of kings and Lord of lords (Rev 19:16).
Circular. Those parts of the Wholly By-Bull make the claim. And we know that the claim is supposed to be true because those passages say so.
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B. PROVED BY HIS CHARACTERISTICS.
1. Omnipotence (Matt. 28:18).
2. Omniscience (John 1:48).
Contradictory.
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C. PROVED BY HIS WORKS.
1. Creates (John 1:3).
2. Sustains (Col 1:17).
3. Forgives sin (Luke 7:48).
4. Raises the dead (John 5:25).
5. Judges (John 5:27).
6. Sends the Holy Spirit (John 15:26).
7. Destroys (Mark 11:12-14, 20-21)
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D.PROVED BY WORSHIP THAT IS GIVEN HIM.
1. By angels (Heb 1:6).
2. By men (Matt 14:33).
3. By all (Phil. 2:10).
So, does the worship of Isis prove that she exists?
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E.PROVED BY EQUALITY WITH THE TRINITY.
1. With the Father (John 14:23; 10:30).
2. With the Father and the Spirit (Matt. 28:19; 2nd Cor 13:14).
Min, Reshep, and Qadesh were seen as a trinity. If they were seen as equal, would that make them real?
Ian Andreas Miller. DIES GAUDII.
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Badger
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Posted - 05/24/2002 : 21:20:15 [Permalink]
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Ah, Kacey. You're still around. Good. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to shed some light on some things for me. I have a few questions I'd like you to answer.
1 ) Why did you come to this site?
2 ) Does it make you feel righteous/good to argue with "evos"?
3 ) Do you feel righteous/good when you're doing other things?
4 ) Do you get a "rush" from people being angry with you?
5 ) What do you consider as "proof" of something?
And now on to questions about the nature of your universe:
1 ) How can an omniscient, omnipotent, infinitely good, and infinitely loving god allow the inequities in this world to exist?
2 ) How can this god send his children to eternal punishment for their sins, and as a corollary, how can he allow them to commit these sins in the first place?
3 ) Why would this god allow the majority of his children to spend eternity, being tortured in hell, because they didn't even have a clue that he existed?
4 ) Why would this god kill my friend's twin girls just days before they were to be born?
You don't have to answer if you don't want to, but please spare me the "who are we to know god's mind" stuff.
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Tim
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Posted - 05/25/2002 : 04:25:06 [Permalink]
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Hello again, Kacey.
Let's address your defense of Mark 10:18, and, I assume, the same defense holds for Matt. 19:17. You said, “According to Ryrie, ‘Good' was a designation reserved, in the absolute sense, for God. Jesus was reacting to being addressed thus by someone who had no awareness of his divine nature.”
By referring to Ryrie, are you referring to Charles Caldwell Ryrie's King James Study Bible? If so, I must confess that I have not read Ryrie's work, but I have planned to do so in the future. However, you have even separated Jesus from God, and not only by a different clause, but by a completely new sentence and subject. Unfortunately, the problems with this defense go deeper, yet. In context, a man ran to Jesus, knelt, addressed him as master or teacher, (NOT as God), and asked what he needs to do to achieve eternal life. Here, Jesus goes on to recount five of the Ten Commandments, and even adds one; “Thou shalt not defraud,” (Mark 10:19).
Yes, Jesus did say that God is the true source of goodness, but then why would Jesus feel that he must mislead this poor man into thinking that he is not God, if in actuality he is? I will, further add that Strong's does not mention this particular interpretation of ‘good'. Easton's and the Catholic NAB introduce this idea, but forgive if me I am at a loss to see where this associates Jesus as the same being as God, or the Holy Spirit for that matter.
You continued with, “The seperation is a trumped up charge presnted by people who have no understanding of the verse.” I imagine divine intercession is required to even broach the rationality of the Trinity. In reality, the bible does associate Jesus and God in the divinity, but the association of all three entities simultaneously is reaching. That said, when Jesus does infer he is God, then the contradictions begin. Remember that the bible is considered by some to be a divinely inspired collection of books which are literal and inerrant. If the bible was inspired by God, and is perfect, then we should find no contradictions, yet they abound.
In your quotes of Lev. 18:22 and 20:13, I am unable to find which version you are using. I have only the NAB, WEB, ASV, and of course the KJV. The nearest match that I have is the WEB. You've wisely avoided the association of the word abomination used in the KJV with other things such as eating shellfish, (Lev. 11:10 & 12), and the amazing fowl that creep along the ground on all fours, (Lev. 11:20 & 23). I applaud your savvy.
Unfortunately, you put yourself under the law, by referring this subject to the OT. “For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law,” (Romans 2:12). It may help you to know that Paul and Jesus did not at all agree on this issue. In Matt. 5:18, Jesus says, “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” No quibble on jots or tittles, because heaven and earth are still here, and not all that was prophesied has been fulfilled. When pressed by a contradiction most biblicists tend to forget Jesus and jump on the Paul bandwagon. The problem lies in the fact that many self-proclaimed believers in Christianity are actually believers in “Paulianity” as Dennis McKinsey so elegantly proposed.
As far as the question of the bible's view of homosexuality is concerned, a quick read of Logos Ministries' ‘Dispelling the Myth' at http://hcqsa.virtualave.net/dispell.html should cover this topic well. Or, you could read John Boswell's ‘Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality' for a complete and in depth discussion of this subject. You may come away with a different perspective on this issue, but I doubt it.....
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Posted - 05/25/2002 : 05:40:28 [Permalink]
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I can't resist. This is one of my pet peeves.
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1. Omnipotence (Matt. 28:18).
2. Omniscience (John 1:48).
3. Omniprescence (Matt 18:20).
First of all, I am wondering how omnipotence can coexist with omniscience. If I knew everything, wouldn't that mean that I would know the outcome of all possible actions. In fact, I would always know what action I would choose, and therefore be powerless to change that action. Plus, I would know the outcome of all things that transpire, thus I would be powerless to affect a different scenario. I said before that I ain't too bright!
Now, Kasey, we have more contradictions. How can God be any of the above mentioned things if he can't even find his own creations on his evening strolls. quote:
Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Gen. 4:9 & 10, "And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground."
And, how is God omnipresent if someone can walk out from his presence.
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Gen. 4:16, "And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD."
This one really amazes me. God has to have a physical wresting match with Jacob, just to get his attention, I guess. Then, He needs to cheat to win, and Jacob still doesn't know who the hell he's getting it on with, upon which time God reveals himself, just to give the poor guy a new name. Wow, so romantic....
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Gen.32:24-30, "And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."
Next, God has to go to the Inn to meet Moses in order to kill the poor fellow.
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Exodus 4:24, "And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him [Moses], and sought to kill him."
And, the whole bru-ha-ha appears to be over a child's foreskin. Oh, and in the next two verses Zipporah turns out to be a fast-drawing surgical whiz with a sharp stone, and that made God change his mind? I don't get it...
Now, for my favorite. If God had to walk around in a tent, then, what does he walk around in, now--The thirteenth floor, perhaps?
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2Sam. 7:6, "Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle."
There's more, but I don't think that I should hijack this thread any longer, even though I'm having a Jonah's whale of a time! (I know, it ain't funny, but I tried)
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Kacey
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Posted - 05/25/2002 : 09:05:27 [Permalink]
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Ah, Kacey. You're still around. Good. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to shed some light on some things for me. I have a few questions I'd like you to answer.
1 ) Why did you come to this site?
To get an answer or an opinion on a subject for my studies. The answers I received back were very disappointing. It seems as if the evo/skeptics would much rather throw around ad-homs rather than address the topic. I think that much is obvious.
I even challenged you evos to a flood debate, I asked that you start a new thread presenting your questions...silence was your responce. You'd rather bash in the typical evo bigoted style then address true science.
2 ) Does it make you feel righteous/good to argue with "evos"?
I don't need to feel rigteous or good. Do you?
3 ) Do you feel righteous/good when you're doing other things?
see number 2
4 ) Do you get a "rush" from people being angry with you?
The "people" bring it on themselves. I've leared that the typical evo would rather fight than talk. This forum is the proof I need to back up that statement.
For some reason evos feel they can attack the Christian as a refute rather than science. When asked a question they usually change the subject then resort to bashing. As I said, anyone reading this forum can easily see this evo tactic at work.
5 ) What do you consider as "proof" of something?
"proof" comes in many different flavors. It is a term that is often over used and mis-used.
And now on to questions about the nature of your universe:
1 ) How can an omniscient, omnipotent, infinitely good, and infinitely loving god allow the inequities in this world to exist?
The inequities in this world are a result of the fall of mankind in the garden of Eden. God has given us free choice. The infinitely loving God has also provided us with a way back to him. That way back is through the death of Jesus Christ on the cross. Why do you need to mock a God that gave up his life for you even though you do not desreve it? Is that not agape love?
2 ) How can this god send his children to eternal punishment for their sins, and as a corollary, how can he allow them to commit these sins in the first place?
Part of that was addressed in the above question. Man has free will. Did you expect God to create a bunch of puppets? The choice is yours. You can live with him in eternity or live in seperation.
3 ) Why would this god allow the majority of his children to spend eternity, being tortured in hell, because they didn't even have a clue that he existed?
Why do you call them his children? Also, everyone has a clue that God exists. Even you. You choose to ignore him.
4 ) Why would this god kill my friend's twin girls just days before they were to be born?
Who said God killed them? But, lets say he did decide to take them. How do you know that God didn't know they would grow up to be God haters just like you...so he brought them to himself prior to being polluted by the likes of you God bashers.
You don't have to answer if you don't want to, but please spare me the "who are we to know god's mind" stuff.
If you think it's work, you're doing it wrong.
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Kacey
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Posted - 05/25/2002 : 09:39:44 [Permalink]
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Hello again, Kacey.
Let's address your defense of Mark 10:18, and, I assume, the same defense holds for Matt. 19:17. You said, “According to Ryrie, ‘Good' was a designation reserved, in the absolute sense, for God. Jesus was reacting to being addressed thus by someone who had no awareness of his divine nature.”
By referring to Ryrie, are you referring to Charles Caldwell Ryrie's King James Study Bible? If so, I must confess that I have not read Ryrie's work, but I have planned to do so in the future. However, you have even separated Jesus from God, and not only by a different clause, but by a completely new sentence and subject. Unfortunately, the problems with this defense go deeper, yet. In context, a man ran to Jesus, knelt, addressed him as master or teacher, (NOT as God), and asked what he needs to do to achieve eternal life. Here, Jesus goes on to recount five of the Ten Commandments, and even adds one; “Thou shalt not defraud,” (Mark 10:19).
Claiming that Jesus mislead the man is a stretch. You'll have to present a better case if you expect me to be able to address your accusation
Yes, Jesus did say that God is the true source of goodness, but then why would Jesus feel that he must mislead this poor man into thinking that he is not God, if in actuality he is?
Once again you must present a case that Jesus actually mislead the man. An ad-hoc accusation doesn't warrent a reply unless you can demonstrate some sort of logic for your claims.
I will, further add that Strong's does not mention this particular interpretation of ‘good'. Easton's and the Catholic NAB introduce this idea, but forgive if me I am at a loss to see where this associates Jesus as the same being as God, or the Holy Spirit for that matter.
I must admitt that I'm at a loss as to what your point is.
You continued with, “The seperation is a trumped up charge presnted by people who have no understanding of the verse.” I imagine divine intercession is required to even broach the rationality of the Trinity. In reality, the bible does associate Jesus and God in the divinity, but the association of all three entities simultaneously is reaching.
I suppose you're allowed to draw that conclusion, but it would help your cause if you presented some evidence. You know us skeptics need evidence, not just talk.
That said, when Jesus does infer he is God, then the contradictions begin.
Contradictions? ...another open ended claim.
If you want to throw around this rhetoric, go ahead. But it's meaningless with out any support.
Remember that the bible is considered by some to be a divinely inspired collection of books which are literal and inerrant. If the bible was inspired by God, and is perfect, then we should find no contradictions, yet they abound.
I have found none. I've seen some of you bible bashers present some "apparent contradictions" but a quick study easily explains them.
In your quotes of Lev. 18:22 and 20:13, I am unable to find which version you are using. I have only the NAB, WEB, ASV, and of course the KJV. The nearest match that I have is the WEB. You've wisely avoided the association of the word abomination used in the KJV with other things such as eating shellfish, (Lev. 11:10 & 12), and the amazing fowl that creep along the ground on all fours, (Lev. 11:20 & 23). I applaud your savvy.
You are now beginning to ramble and not make much sense. I'm trying to answer you but to be honest I don't know what to respond to.
Unfortunately, you put yourself under the law, by referring this subject to the OT. “For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be ju |
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Badger
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Posted - 05/25/2002 : 11:40:39 [Permalink]
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Thank you for responding, Kacey. I appreciate it.
I don't know if you want answers to the questions in your responses, but I'll reply to your comments, if I may.
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Ah, Kacey. You're still around. Good. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to shed some light on some things for me. I have a few questions I'd like you to answer.
1 ) Why did you come to this site?
To get an answer or an opinion on a subject for my studies. The answers I received back were very disappointing. It seems as if the evo/skeptics would much rather throw around ad-homs rather than address the topic. I think that much is obvious.
I even challenged you evos to a flood debate, I asked that you start a new thread presenting your questions...silence was your responce. You'd rather bash in the typical evo bigoted style then address true science.
No question here to answer.
2 ) Does it make you feel righteous/good to argue with "evos"?
I don't need to feel rigteous or good. Do you?
Yes, I need to feel good, Though not all the time. I do need to feel like I've accomplished something.
3 ) Do you feel righteous/good when you're doing other things?
see number 2
No straight out question, but I feel good doing many things. Mostly building things, repairing things, teaching, and helping. I feel good when I succeed at things.
4 ) Do you get a "rush" from people being angry with you?
The "people" bring it on themselves. I've leared that the typical evo would rather fight than talk. This forum is the proof I need to back up that statement.
For some reason evos feel they can attack the Christian as a refute rather than science. When asked a question they usually change the subject then resort to bashing. As I said, anyone reading this forum can easily see this evo tactic at work.
No question, no answer.
5 ) What do you consider as "proof" of something?
"proof" comes in many different flavors. It is a term that is often over used and mis-used.
No question, no answer.
And now on to questions about the nature of your universe:
1 ) How can an omniscient, omnipotent, infinitely good, and infinitely loving god allow the inequities in this world to exist?
The inequities in this world are a result of the fall of mankind in the garden of Eden. God has given us free choice. The infinitely loving God has also provided us with a way back to him. That way back is through the death of Jesus Christ on the cross. Why do you need to mock a God that gave up his life for you even though you do not desreve it? Is that not agape love?
I don't believe I mock God with that question, and I thought everyone was deserving. I also don't recall God giving his life for humanity, as it was only the human life of his son that appeared to be given up but in fact was resurrected. So Jesus is "back where he came from" therefore, what was given up? Frankly, no I don't see it as being love to send your kid to do something and let them get hung on a cross. It doesn't really make much sense to me.
2 ) How can this god send his children to eternal punishment for their sins, and as a corollary, how can he allow them to commit these sins in the first place?
Part of that was addressed in the above question. Man has free will. Did you expect God to create a bunch of puppets? The choice is yours. You can live with him in eternity or live in seperation.
I understand that he did create a pair of puppets whom he kicked out of the garden of eden once they ate of the tree of knowledge, and therefore were puppets no longer as they could think for themselves.
3 ) Why would this god allow the majority of his children to spend eternity, being tortured in hell, because they didn't even have a clue that he existed?
Why do you call them his children? Also, everyone has a clue that God exists. Even you. You choose to ignore him.
Didn't God say that all humanity were his children? Are you referring to the Christian God? Is he the one that everyone has a clue exists? Because not everyone does have a clue he exists. Some people have never even heard of him, and many, before imperialism, had their own Gods only.
4 ) Why would this god kill my friend's twin girls just days before they were to be born?
Who said God killed them? But, lets say he did decide to take them. How do you know that God didn't know they would grow up to be God haters just like you...so he brought them to himself prior to being polluted by the likes of you God bashers.
If God is omnipotent, then he must have killed them, because they're not alive now, and he could have prevented their deaths. I would expect an omniscient God to know exactly what would happen to them, because that's the meaning of omniscient. You assume I'm a God hater. That is an incorrect assumption. If he didn't want them polluted by the likes of (I'll insert "the people that would have been involved in their lives") then why do they have a live older sibling, and younger sibling? For clarity, my friend has a son who was born before them, and a daughter born after them.
You don't have to answer if you don't want to, but please spare me the "who are we to know god's mind" stuff.
If you think it's work, you're doing it wrong.
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Again, I've embedded some questions in my responses, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to.
Thanks again!
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Lars_H
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Posted - 05/25/2002 : 12:21:27 [Permalink]
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Hey Kacey, I see we have problems talking about stuff like creationism with you without either side feeling insulted. But Creationism is not the only topic discussed in this forum. Maybe we can get along better talking about some of the other stuff.
So what do you think about things like UFOs, Bigfoot, Scientology, spoonbending, Harry Potter, the Illuminati, John Edwards or President Bush's approach to bringing peace to the middle east.
Or is the origin of man the only thing you are interested in?
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Kacey
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Posted - 05/25/2002 : 14:10:09 [Permalink]
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From badgers post:I understand that he did create a pair of puppets whom he kicked out of the garden of eden once they ate of the tree
of knowledge, and therefore were puppets no longer as they could think for themselves.
Sigh. I hope you understand why I'm not going to address your last post. Tell me why I should waste my time attemptimg to answer such ad-hoc sillyness like your question above?
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Posted - 05/25/2002 : 14:13:57 [Permalink]
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Hey Kacey, I see we have problems talking about stuff like creationism with you without either side feeling insulted. But Creationism is not the only topic discussed in this forum. Maybe we can get along better talking about some of the other stuff.
So what do you think about things like
UFOs, not real
Bigfoot,not real
Scientology,goofy
spoonbending,not real
Harry Potter,I haven't seen the movie
the Illuminati,not to the extent the conspiracy guy build it up to be
John Edwards fraud
or President Bush's approach to bringing peace to the middle east.There will be no peace in the middle east
Or is the origin of man the only thing you are interested in?
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James
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Posted - 05/25/2002 : 15:06:08 [Permalink]
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So what do you think about things like UFOs, not real
Kacey, do you think it's possible that there is life out in space? In one form or another, be it simple life, like bacteria, or complex and intelligent life kinda like ourselves?
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Bigfoot, not real
Scientology, goofy
spoonbending, not real
Hey, what do you know? We basically agree on these things! We just may be getting out of the starting block...
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Harry Potter, I haven't seen the movie
Buy it when it comes out on video next Tuesday. It's a very good movie.
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the Illuminati, not to the extent the conspiracy guy build it up to be
Would you mind terribly telling us how far you think this conspiracy goes? Or not, it doesn't really matter.
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John Edwards fraud
And we're off! What do you think of Animal Planet's Pet Psychic?
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or President Bush's approach to bringing peace to the middle east. There will be no peace in the middle east
Is that just in the Middle East or just in general? I say in general. A yin/yang thing.
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Tim
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Posted - 05/25/2002 : 15:44:56 [Permalink]
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Sorry, I don't have much time. I'm waiting on wife to be ready to go out for dinner. However, Kacey, you asserted there are no contradictions in the bible. Being short of time, I will direct you to 310 contradictions; http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contradictions.html
As for there being no peace in the Middle east, I must agree with you. There are three religions involved, each one divinely directed to fulfil a mutual prophesy. Each one is the self appointed chosen of God. And each one of these true believers will act in a way to hasten what they believe to be predestined. Ironically, they are all argueing about the same god. It is such a shame that so many must die because of a several thousand year old superstition.
These people are truly the immoral. They almost seem to, and in many cases do, take pleasure in pushing their personal agendas of prophesy fulfilment along, even at the expense of human lives, because this is prophesied. I am horrified.
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Kacey
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Posted - 05/25/2002 : 16:23:52 [Permalink]
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Sorry, I don't have much time. I'm waiting on wife to be ready to go out for dinner. However, Kacey, you asserted there are no contradictions in the bible. Being short of time, I will direct you to 310 contradictions; http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contradictions.html
Tim, I tell you what. Go to that web site and choose your favorite so-called contradiction. Present it and I'll show you why it isn't a contradiction. (choose just one for now)
The ball is in your court. happy pickings.
Kacey
I've read the end of the bible....the Christians win. |
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Kacey
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/25/2002 : 16:27:07 [Permalink]
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As for there being no peace in the Middle east, I must agree with you. There are three religions involved, each one divinely directed to fulfil a mutual prophesy. Each one is the self appointed chosen of God. And each one of these true believers will act in a way to hasten what they believe to be predestined. Ironically, they are all argueing about the same god. It is such a shame that so many must die because of a several thousand year old superstition.
In the end Isreal will win. They were predicted to get their nation back and that came true in 1948.
Once re-established it is said they will never loose their homeland again.
Kacey
I've read the end of the bible....the Christians win. |
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